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Respected Social Butterfly
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Re: What Kind of American uses Russian Anti-virus Software

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myexper wrote:


As you have asserted, in this topic, that you only rely on information from "experts", why did you deny the results from the "experts' of 17 U.S. Intelligence Agencies?

 

 


First, this is not about personalities, however I do have a son and a brother with long time experience in the IT field, besides myself.  I get my information from technical sources and not from mainstream media.  Those technical sources have not mentioned anything about software 'calling home', but highly recommend Kasperskys anti-virus.

 

Further there has been a failure to list these '17 U.S. intelligence agencies and what they have released concerning the softward's use, onlyremarks by politicians.  So unless their specific warnings can be specifically be sourced regarding the software, then perhaps we should leave them out of the discusion?

 

And further, can we leave any pointed remarks about others and stick to the topic?  Not all of us are here to engage in that type of discussions which are basically partisan based.

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Re: What Kind of American uses Russian Anti-virus Software

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myexper wrote:

TxGrandpa2 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

 

I don't recall initiating the reference to the 17 agencies. Please refresh my memory. Or.......we could get off the pettiness and get back to the software (the topic).


The poster doesn't want to discuss the software, but is just taking the chance to insult another poster. 

Not true Tex.

"The poster" asked you a question relative to an assertion you made regarding the topic.  But you refused to answer that question and instead reply with false accusations ..... as exhibited herein once again!.

 

 

He/she will be bringing up those phantom 17 agencies forever regardless of the topic. 

Not true Tex. You made that up!

 

Bet he/she can even name them.

A safe bet as I named them for you several times in other topics ..... per your earlier requests to do so!

Yet, you continue to deny the findings of those 'experts" ..... preferring to believe a Russian KGB agent over your own country's Intelligence Agencies!

 

 

But back to the software, it's amazing how many are experts on it even though they are not that literate about software, but because they have a friend, brother, etc who is knowledgable....  Willing to guess many never heard of this program before.

Actually Tex .... YOU are one of those "experts" that you have disparaged as YOU have earlier stated that you maintain your expertise by relying on a relative's updates to you!

 

So "back to the question" that you continue to evade ......

As you have asserted, in this topic, that you only rely on information from "experts", why did you deny the results from the "experts' of 17 U.S. Intelligence Agencies?

 

 

 


 

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Re: What Kind of American uses Russian Anti-virus Software

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TxGrandpa2 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

 

I don't recall initiating the reference to the 17 agencies. Please refresh my memory. Or.......we could get off the pettiness and get back to the software (the topic).


The poster doesn't want to discuss the software, but is just taking the chance to insult another poster. 

Not true Tex.

"The poster" asked you a question relative to an assertion you made regarding the topic.  But you refused to answer that question and instead reply with false accusations ..... as exhibited herein once again!.

 

 

He/she will be bringing up those phantom 17 agencies forever regardless of the topic. 

Not true Tex. You made that up!

 

Bet he/she can even name them.

A safe bet as I named them for you several times in other topics ..... per your earlier requests to do so!

Yet, you continue to deny the findings of those 'experts" ..... preferring to believe a Russian KGB agent over your own country's Intelligence Agencies!

 

 

But back to the software, it's amazing how many are experts on it even though they are not that literate about software, but because they have a friend, brother, etc who is knowledgable....  Willing to guess many never heard of this program before.

Actually Tex .... YOU are one of those "experts" that you have disparaged as YOU have earlier stated that you maintain your expertise by relying on a relative's updates to you!

 

So "back to the question" that you continue to evade ......

As you have asserted, in this topic, that you only rely on information from "experts", why did you deny the results from the "experts' of 17 U.S. Intelligence Agencies?

 

 

 

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Re: What Kind of American uses Russian Anti-virus Software

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rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

mandm84 wrote:

If you havent noticed , It's all connected !!!


That's right, Tx. Kaspersky software and PCMagazine and Amazon and Staples and Walmart and the President and Putin and maybe the Illuminati are all one big happy family trying to bring the Democrats down.


That's a rather ludicrous arrangement that you contrived and then concurred with rk. 


I agree, it is. It comes from your introduction of the elections - a totally off-topic and "ludicrous" comment.

No .... it came from your contrived post which I replied to, as clearly shown within this thread!

 

By the way, do you have any thoughts on the topic?

Yup .... and I already expressed them. But you continue to evade them and play your game of asking questions for which answers were already given!


 


Got it - discussion over.


That ship sailed with your first reply in this thread!

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Re: What Kind of American uses Russian Anti-virus Software

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rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

TxGrandpa2 wrote:

mickstuder wrote:
 

There is a BIG BIG difference between Politics and Security.................

 

  


There is also a difference between taking advice from anonymous posters with unknown technical expertise on a public discussion forum, mostly with a political bias,  and politicians or from computer experts on highly regarded technical publications.

 

I'll take the experts anytime.


Anytime Tex?  Yet you denied the results of 17 U.S. "expert"  Intelligence Agencies relative to Russian to believeinterference.


See - you learn something new each day. For example, I was not aware that the 17 U.S. "expert' Intelligence Agencies had pointed out the cabal of PCMagazine, Staples, Walmart, Amazon, etal were all out to destroy our nation.


Well - If that's what you "learned" then it's what you taught yourself as no here, other than yourself of course,  made such a ludicrous statement! 

 

Agreed - "ludicrous" (the word of the day). And who was it that brought the intel community and the elections into the discussion?

 

The word "ludicrous" was used to describe YOUR  assertion that "17 U.S. "expert' Intelligence Agencies had pointed out the cabal of PCMagazine, Staples, Walmart, Amazon, etal were all out to destroy our nation."

 

Those were YOUR words and not mine rk. So stop putting your words into my posts!


 


 


I don't recall initiating the reference to the 17 agencies. Please refresh my memory. Or.......we could get off the pettiness and get back to the software (the topic).


The "initial reference" of the 17 U.S. Intelligence Agencies was applied to another poster's assertion. You lifted it from its context and fallaciously applied it to your ludicrous assertion.

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Re: What Kind of American uses Russian Anti-virus Software

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rk9152 wrote:

 

I don't recall initiating the reference to the 17 agencies. Please refresh my memory. Or.......we could get off the pettiness and get back to the software (the topic).


The poster doesn't want to discuss the software, but is just taking the chance to insult another poster.  He/she will be bringing up those phantom 17 agencies forever regardless of the topic.  Bet he/she can even name them.

 

But back to the software, it's amazing how many are experts on it even though they are not that literate about software, but because they have a friend, brother, etc who is knowledgable....  Willing to guess many never heard of this program before.

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Re: What Kind of American uses Russian Anti-virus Software

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mickstuder wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Your concerns are valid about cyber warfare being a reality that must be dealt with. But, where are the mailboxes manufactured? Probably no Russia.

 

We do contract out a lot but - Snowden is an American and had been hired by Booze, Allen, Hamilton - an American firm.

 

So, while I agree that we have to be very, very careful - "Fortress America" is not the solution.

 

On the other hand, when a foreign product is determined to be a danger, it should be pulled from the market and all owners should be alerted.


Huh?

 

Swiss Cheese America is apparently - more to your liking?

 

These are only the Screw-ups of one Outsourced Private Defense Contractor - I could list several more if you're interested............................Outsourcing Sidewalks & Driveways or maybe in even Laundry Service - Food Preperation and Supply Transport & Warehousing is not the same as Outsourcing American Security...............................................and it should be Stopped 

 

1.  On May 24, (2017) Chris Vickery, a cyber risk analyst with the security firm UpGuard, discovered a publicly accessible data cache on Amazon Web Services' S3 storage service that contained highly classified intelligence data. The cache was posted to an account linked to defense and intelligence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. And the files within were connected to the US National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), the US military's provider of battlefield satellite and drone surveillance imagery.

 

Based on domain-registration data tied to the servers linked to the S3 "bucket," the data was apparently tied to Booz Allen and another contractor, Metronome. Also present in the data cache was a Booz Allen Hamilton engineer's remote login (SSH) keys and login credentials for at least one system in the company's data center.

 

[Update, 5:10 PM] UpGuard's post suggested the data may have been classified at up to the Top Secret level. A Booz-Allen spokesperson told Ars that the data was not connected to classified systems. However, the credentials included in the store could have provided access to more sensitive data, including code repositories.

 

2. October 7, 2016 Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corp. is once again at the center of a major U.S. intelligence breach. And for the second time in three years, the company known in Washington for its classified contracts and influential alumni will probably face criticism but suffer few consequences.

 

The disclosure Wednesday that Booz Allen employee Harold Martin, who was contracted to work at the National Security Agency, was arrested for stealing classified data immediately brought up memories of fugitive Edward Snowden. In 2013, Snowden fled his Booz Allen job in Hawaii for Hong Kong and then Russia after stealing and releasing a trove of data on classified U.S. data collection programs.

 

"Booz Allen is in the incredible position as having offered up the two most unfit contractor employees in recent memory," Charles Tiefer, a law professor at the University of Baltimore, said in an interview.

 

It’s become “the too-big-to-fail company of the classified secrets world," Tiefer said, supplementing “a hollowed-out government employee workforce” while profiting from “very lucrative taxpayer-funded classified work."

 

Sources 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-07/another-breach-at-nsa-involves-booz-allen-will-an...

 

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/defense-contractor-stored-intelligence-data-i...

 

 


In all that I saw the reality of cyber warfare that must be dealt with. Was that your point? If so, we are in agreement.

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Re: What Kind of American uses Russian Anti-virus Software

Message 68 of 172 (207 Views)

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

TxGrandpa2 wrote:

mickstuder wrote:
 

There is a BIG BIG difference between Politics and Security.................

 

  


There is also a difference between taking advice from anonymous posters with unknown technical expertise on a public discussion forum, mostly with a political bias,  and politicians or from computer experts on highly regarded technical publications.

 

I'll take the experts anytime.


Anytime Tex?  Yet you denied the results of 17 U.S. "expert"  Intelligence Agencies relative to Russian to believeinterference.


See - you learn something new each day. For example, I was not aware that the 17 U.S. "expert' Intelligence Agencies had pointed out the cabal of PCMagazine, Staples, Walmart, Amazon, etal were all out to destroy our nation.


Well - If that's what you "learned" then it's what you taught yourself as no here, other than yourself of course,  made such a ludicrous statement! 

 

Agreed - "ludicrous" (the word of the day). And who was it that brought the intel community and the elections into the discussion?

 

The word "ludicrous" was used to describe YOUR  assertion that "17 U.S. "expert' Intelligence Agencies had pointed out the cabal of PCMagazine, Staples, Walmart, Amazon, etal were all out to destroy our nation."

 

Those were YOUR words and not mine rk. So stop putting your words into my posts!


 


 


I don't recall initiating the reference to the 17 agencies. Please refresh my memory. Or.......we could get off the pettiness and get back to the software (the topic).

Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: What Kind of American uses Russian Anti-virus Software

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myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

mandm84 wrote:

If you havent noticed , It's all connected !!!


That's right, Tx. Kaspersky software and PCMagazine and Amazon and Staples and Walmart and the President and Putin and maybe the Illuminati are all one big happy family trying to bring the Democrats down.


That's a rather ludicrous arrangement that you contrived and then concurred with rk. 


I agree, it is. It comes from your introduction of the elections - a totally off-topic and "ludicrous" comment.

No .... it came from your contrived post which I replied to, as clearly shown within this thread!

 

By the way, do you have any thoughts on the topic?

Yup .... and I already expressed them. But you continue to evade them and play your game of asking questions for which answers were already given!


 


Got it - discussion over.

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Re: What Kind of American uses Russian Anti-virus Software

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ChasKy53 wrote:

TxGrandpa2 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

So you actually think that you are more knowledgeable about anti viruses and such than most people here?


No but from many of the posts here probably more than some.  And what about you?


Actually, I have learned a heck of a lot from my brother who is a Director for one of the largest computer firms in America. My work partner's son got his masters in computer security and I've learned much from him also.

 

I see no sense in using a Russian anti-virus when I can use one made in the USA that is just as good (but then I have always been big on using American made anything that I can). I have had no problems with viruses or any kind of spy ware. My computer has remained secure for years.


Did you learn from them that there is a massive conspiracy involving Staples, Amazon, PC Magazine, Walmart, Birchers (including Richard Wolffe), the Illuminati, among others to take the election from Hillary (one theory running through this topic)?

 

Other than that the consumer will buy the product they prefer - no politics or partisanship involved.