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Re: Trumps promise to lower healthcare costs

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rk9152 wrote:

Olderscout66 wrote:

Rate hikes were caused by insurance industry concerns Republicans would kill Obamacare and uninsure 34 Million people who will keep getting sick and injured but will have to go back to using the ER for their primary care, a hugely expensive proposition.

 

Want lower rates? Stop electing Republicans who get huge buckets of campaign money form the health care industry, and act accordingly.


Does that mean that there were no increases until the Rs took over?

 

Does that mean that Obama did not have to send money (on his own - not enacted by the Congress) to the insurance companies to cover their losses??

 

See - sometimes facts are needed, pure hatred doesn't do the trick.


here's a fact...

http://investmentwatchblog.com/did-you-know-that-before-1973-it-was-illegal-in-the-us-to-profit-off-...

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KidBoy2 wrote:
www.cnbc.com/2017/08/10/the-price-of-uncertainty-could-mean-new-double-digit-health-insurance-rate-h...

"Last year alone, Obamacare premiums surged by 25 percent and 83 insurers abandoned the exchanges. Since Obamacare went into effect under the previous administration, skyrocketing healthcare costs and fewer choices have become the norm," said Alleigh Marré, national spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Human Services. "This analysis confirms what we already knew — Obamacare is flawed, failing, and harming the American people. "

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Face it Obamacare is not as sold.

 

Nixons fault. what party was he? Of course he wasnt alone in this, but read the link. he signed the bill.

 


http://investmentwatchblog.com/did-you-know-that-before-1973-it-was-illegal-in-the-us-to-profit-off-...

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From 1999 to 2008, health insurance premiums increased 141% while inflation went up 28%. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the change in premium costs for the PPACA Silver Plans from 2015 to 2016 was -0.2% before the ACA subsidites and -0.7% after the subsidies were applied. COST WENT DOWN the last year President Obama was able to veto Republcan changes to health care.

 

OF COURSE rates skyrocketed when GOPers took over the Government - the Insurance EXECUTIVES Love Republicans for all the personal benefits they get, but they also know Republicans cannot pour pee out of a boot even if you print the directions on the sole, so when they saw the REPEAL folks had taken charge, they had to anticipate a disaster in health care, and raised their rates accordingly to protect their bottom lines.

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afisher wrote:

    For those who are attempting their tried and worn-out bait and switch game.    I will provide you with this link - perhaps they willl bookmark the page for next time.

    As a reminder: this article is from 2009, long before ACA was implemented:   

 

    

The data was collected by the Kaiser Family Foundation and comes via USA Today:

Since 1999, health insurance premiums for families rose 131%, the report found, far more than the general rate of inflation, which increased 28% over the same period. Overall, health care in the United States is expected to cost $2.6 trillion this year, or 17% of the nation’s economy, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

At the same time costs have gone up dramatically, the policies have grown less generous, and more likely to add deductibles to be paid by the policy holder:    

 

http://business.time.com/2009/09/16/health-insurance-premiums-up-131-in-last-ten-years/

 

  Of course you are welcome.....


The only way Der Trumper will get GOPers to enact something that reduces health care premiums would be the rescend the Reagan law that says ER's cannot practice economic triage but must treat people coming thru the door according to medical necessity, NOT the patient's ability to pay. The GOPerLords definatily dislike that law - there money cannot buy them a place at the front of the line if they wind up in an ER...UNLESS its an ER in a hospital where they endowed a wing or two and have a suite of rooms and MDs reserved for freinds and family, and even among GOPerLords, those kinds of big bucks are few and far between.

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Alot of questions but very few answers rk - just saying with all due respect !!!

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rk9152 wrote:

john258 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Olderscout66 wrote:

Rate hikes were caused by insurance industry concerns Republicans would kill Obamacare and uninsure 34 Million people who will keep getting sick and injured but will have to go back to using the ER for their primary care, a hugely expensive proposition.

 

Want lower rates? Stop electing Republicans who get huge buckets of campaign money form the health care industry, and act accordingly.


Does that mean that there were no increases until the Rs took over?

 

Does that mean that Obama did not have to send money (on his own - not enacted by the Congress) to the insurance companies to cover their losses??

 

See - sometimes facts are needed, pure hatred doesn't do the trick.


Facts are still missing. When one understands the health care system they know why the Insurance Cos. are given money to keep the rates down by the Govt. It is the same as the high risk pools which the far right love. There have been increases in health care costs for the last 50 years. You want to end them then go single payer.


Exactly my point. Money was given to the insurance companies to keep their rates artificially lower so as to not show the real cost of Obamacare.

 

As to socialized medicine - the cost of food has risen over the past 50 years too. That does not mean I want the government in charge of all food production and distribution. Stalin tried that - it failed.

 

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Money was given to lower rates for the pool of people because that is cheaper than if you do not since greater cost will come back to the Govt. Once one understands health care, and socialized medicine they know what you say is not true. Hate to break the news to you but your Govt. is in charge of all food production. There are subsidy's to growers, processors, selling to over seas markets, etc. What Russia did was to a great extent what we are doing except we learned and do not go as far. What we badly need is courses on these subject so people learn about them, and understand them as we can then make these areas work for all of us.


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Obamacare individual rates are not high in every state. In many states where there's vigorous competition, rates are competitive. Outrageously high premiums happen only in the states where there's little or no competition.

 

The solution for this is easy, do away with the State Exchanges and utilize ONE National Exchange.

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john258 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Olderscout66 wrote:

Rate hikes were caused by insurance industry concerns Republicans would kill Obamacare and uninsure 34 Million people who will keep getting sick and injured but will have to go back to using the ER for their primary care, a hugely expensive proposition.

 

Want lower rates? Stop electing Republicans who get huge buckets of campaign money form the health care industry, and act accordingly.


Does that mean that there were no increases until the Rs took over?

 

Does that mean that Obama did not have to send money (on his own - not enacted by the Congress) to the insurance companies to cover their losses??

 

See - sometimes facts are needed, pure hatred doesn't do the trick.


Facts are still missing. When one understands the health care system they know why the Insurance Cos. are given money to keep the rates down by the Govt. It is the same as the high risk pools which the far right love. There have been increases in health care costs for the last 50 years. You want to end them then go single payer.


Exactly my point. Money was given to the insurance companies to keep their rates artificially lower so as to not show the real cost of Obamacare.

 

As to socialized medicine - the cost of food has risen over the past 50 years too. That does not mean I want the government in charge of all food production and distribution. Stalin tried that - it failed.

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rk9152 wrote:

Olderscout66 wrote:

Rate hikes were caused by insurance industry concerns Republicans would kill Obamacare and uninsure 34 Million people who will keep getting sick and injured but will have to go back to using the ER for their primary care, a hugely expensive proposition.

 

Want lower rates? Stop electing Republicans who get huge buckets of campaign money form the health care industry, and act accordingly.


Does that mean that there were no increases until the Rs took over?

 

Does that mean that Obama did not have to send money (on his own - not enacted by the Congress) to the insurance companies to cover their losses??

 

See - sometimes facts are needed, pure hatred doesn't do the trick.


Facts are still missing. When one understands the health care system they know why the Insurance Cos. are given money to keep the rates down by the Govt. It is the same as the high risk pools which the far right love. There have been increases in health care costs for the last 50 years. You want to end them then go single payer.

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    For those who are attempting their tried and worn-out bait and switch game.    I will provide you with this link - perhaps they willl bookmark the page for next time.

    As a reminder: this article is from 2009, long before ACA was implemented:   

 

    

The data was collected by the Kaiser Family Foundation and comes via USA Today:

Since 1999, health insurance premiums for families rose 131%, the report found, far more than the general rate of inflation, which increased 28% over the same period. Overall, health care in the United States is expected to cost $2.6 trillion this year, or 17% of the nation’s economy, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

At the same time costs have gone up dramatically, the policies have grown less generous, and more likely to add deductibles to be paid by the policy holder:    

 

http://business.time.com/2009/09/16/health-insurance-premiums-up-131-in-last-ten-years/

 

  Of course you are welcome.....

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