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Trump’s “fascist” roots lie in the Republican Party

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Chasky said,"The Alt-Right defending trump and any of his actions simply goes on and on in this chat site. How truly sad that is."

 

So true Chasky! We have a forum member who couldn't care less about Nazis and KKK members demonstrating, but spent several weeks insulting and attacking the Nazi counter protestors. Now that same forum member is defending Trump (what a shocker) and refuses to acknowledge Trump's fascist tendencies. 

 

  • An Indiana born federal judge isn't qualified because his parents were born in Mexico
  • Sherriff Joe Arpaio, one of the ultimate racists, is pardoned by Trump
  • 3 White Nationalists hired at the White House
  • When asked by CNN’s Jake Tapper if he would condemn David Duke and say he didn’t want a vote from him or any other white supremacists, Trump claimed that he didn’t know anything about white supremacists or about Duke himself. When Tapper pressed him twice more, Trump said he couldn’t condemn a group he hadn’t yet researched.
  • The Free and Indpendent Press is described as "An Enemy of the People"

Tump Cult members are brainwashed and don't realize how they are falling into the trap of defending a pathological liar and racist scam artist in the White House. Or maybe I'm wrong about them being brainwashed? Maybe they agree with Donald Trump's Fascist policies?

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Re: Trump’s “fascist” roots lie in the Republican Party

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Well @rk9152, you gave it a good ole college try ole son!  However I am afraid the democrat strategy of "hate anything and everything Trump" has reduced all ability for our friends on the left to think critically.  The first sign, as usual, is the amount of "name calling" they resort to since the hate has no logic or reason.

 

I must commend you though...  You are so very patient with the children and that shows good character on your part.  God bless the patience you have developed from working with these children, it will be blessed.

 

 

 

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Re: Trump’s “fascist” roots lie in the Republican Party

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ChasKy53 wrote:

The Alt-Right defending trump and any of his actions simply goes on and on in this chat site. How truly sad that is.

 

What is you definition of "alt-right"?


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Trump’s “fascist” roots lie in the Republican Party

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What would anyone expect from a bonafide member of the Trump Cult, other than to blindly defend his idol and hero? Don't allow facts to enter into the equation and twist everything to make his hero look good.

 

For the rest of us, we judge Trump on his actions.

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The Alt-Right defending trump and any of his actions simply goes on and on in this chat site. How truly sad that is.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Re: Trump’s “fascist” roots lie in the Republican Party

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CriticalThinking wrote:

Centrist, thank you. RK never refutes anything. In his never ending goal of defending Donald Trump 7 days a week, he merely changes the subject, focuses on some trivial issue, or asks the same question repeatedly. Centrist and I are the forum users posting facts in this thread, while utilizing logic.

 

Trump Cult members never refute facts, they instead resort to their anti-liberal theme. That's very interesting because Centrist and I are NOT liberals. 


It's the cult members acting like cult members, CeeTee, just as you said.

 

Fascism, American Style

 

As sheriff of Maricopa County, Ariz., Joe Arpaio engaged in blatant racial discrimination. His officers systematically targeted Latinos, often arresting them on spurious charges and at least sometimes beating them up when they questioned those charges. Read the report from the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, and prepare to be horrified.

 

Once Latinos were arrested, bad things happened to them. Many were sent to Tent City, which Arpaio himself proudly called a “concentration camp,” where they lived under brutal conditions, with temperatures inside the tents sometimes rising to 145 degrees.

 

And when he received court orders to stop these practices, he simply ignored them, which led to his eventual conviction — after decades in office — for contempt of court. But he had friends in high places, indeed in the highest of places. We now know that Donald Trump tried to get the Justice Department to drop the case against Arpaio, a clear case of attempted obstruction of justice. And when that ploy failed, Trump, who had already suggested that Arpaio was “convicted for doing his job,” pardoned him.

 

By the way, about “doing his job,” it turns out that Arpaio’s officers were too busy rounding up brown-skinned people and investigating President Barack Obama’s birth certificate to do other things, like investigate cases of sexually abused children. Priorities!

 

Let’s call things by their proper names here. Arpaio is, of course, a white supremacist. But he’s more than that. There’s a word for political regimes that round up members of minority groups and send them to concentration camps, while rejecting the rule of law: What Arpaio brought to Maricopa, and what the president of the United States has just endorsed, was fascism, American style.

 

So how did we get to this point?

 

Trump’s motives are easy to understand. For one thing, Arpaio, with his racism and authoritarianism, really is his kind of guy. For another, the pardon is a signal to those who might be tempted to make deals with the special investigator as the Russia probe closes in on the White House: Don’t worry, I’ll protect you.

 

Finally, standing up for white people who keep brown people down pleases Trump’s base, whom he’s going to need more than ever as the scandals creep closer and the big policy wins he promised keep not happening.

 

But the Trump base of angry white voters is a distinct minority in the country as a whole.

 

Furthermore, those voters have always been there. Fifteen years ago, writing about the radicalization of the G.O.P., I suggested the hard core of angry voters was around 20 percent of the electorate; that still seems like a reasonable guess.

 

What makes it possible for someone like Trump to attain power and hold it is the acquiescence of people, both voters and politicians, who aren’t white supremacists, who sort-of kind-of believe in the rule of law, but are willing to go along with racists and lawbreakers if it seems to serve their interests.

 

There have been endless reports about the low-education white voters who went overwhelmingly for Trump last November. But he wouldn’t have made it over the top without millions of votes from well-educated Republicans who — despite the media’s orgy of false equivalence or worse (emails!) — had no excuse for not realizing what kind of man he was. For whatever reason, be it political tribalism or the desire for lower taxes, they voted for him anyway.

 

Given the powers we grant to the president, who in some ways is almost like an elected dictator, giving the office to someone likely to abuse that power invites catastrophe. The only real check comes from Congress, which retains the power to impeach; even the potential for impeachment can constrain a bad president. But Republicans control Congress; how many of them besides John McCain have offered full-throated denunciations of the Arpaio pardon?

 

The answer is, very few. Paul Ryan, the speaker of the House, had a spokesman declare that he “does not agree with this decision” — not exactly a ringing statement. Yet Ryan did better than most of his colleagues, who have said nothing at all.

 

This bodes ill if, as seems all too likely, the Arpaio pardon is only the beginning: We may well be in the early stages of a constitutional crisis. Does anyone consider it unthinkable that Trump will fire Robert Mueller, and try to shut down investigations into his personal and political links to Russia? Does anyone have confidence that Republicans in Congress will do anything more than express mild disagreement with his actions if he does?

 

As I said, there’s a word for people who round up members of ethnic minorities and send them to concentration camps, or praise such actions. There’s also a word for people who, out of cowardice or self-interest, go along with such abuses: collaborators. How many such collaborators will there be? I’m afraid we’ll soon find out.

 

Fascism, American Style


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O.K. giys (generic) - I'll try again. If there is anything in this with which you disagree, please offer an alternate with more depth than "rk lied":

 

  • Instead of make Germany Great Again, Make America Great Again
  • As has been pointed out, all Presidents (with one exception) were "America first". So, if Trump is a Fascist, we have had quite a few.
  • Hitler locked up and/or killed members of the press
  • Obama did that
  • Trump describes our free press as "an enemy of the people"
  • True - they are cheating the people by offering bias rather than news. The American people deserve better.
  • Hitler made Joseph Goebbels the Minister of Propaganda while Trump uses Steve Bannon to spout his propaganda.
  • Surely you jest. All Presidents have spokespersons.
  • Trump hired 3 White Nationalists to work in the White House
  • That is, of course, by your definition
  • Trump was not offended by Nazi and KKK Demonstrations
  • Apparently neither did the Dems in VA who let the riots occur.
  • But he is offended by peaceful protests of black players in the NFL
  • Any American should be offended by the attack on the symbols of our Nation for racial reasons.
  • The Trump standard of behavior is loyalty to him as opposed to the Constitution
  • All leaders want loyalty from their closest staff.
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Centristsin2010 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

CriticalThinking wrote:

Hey Centrist, Trump is clearly a Fascist emulating Hitler:

 

  • Instead of make Germany Great Again, Make America Great Again
  • Hitler locked up and/or killed members of the press
  • Trump describes our free press as "an enemy of the people"
  • Hitler made Joseph Goebbels the Minister of Propaganda while Trump uses Steve Bannon to spout his propaganda.
  • Trump hired 3 White Nationalists to work in the White House
  • Trump was not offended by Nazi and KKK Demonstrations
  • But he is offended by peaceful protests of black players in the NFL
  • The Trump standard of behavior is loyalty to him as opposed to the Constitution

And of course RK will do everything in his power to defend everything his leader and hero says or does.


Well, he sure does embrace the "policies" of the fascists.  Sad, IMO.


rk has already refuted that. So?  If he did, he'd be lying as he's posted he supports trumps agenda, which is fascist.  He supports the alt-right which includes the KKK and Nazi's, which are fascists.  He supports the authoratative comments of trump.....we could go on, but what's the point?  You agree until you later "refute" that you agree.


No, you have the sequence wrong. Calling the policies of the President alt-right, KKK, Nazi, fascist, etc. is the lying. Supporting his policies is good for America - for those who consider "good for America" a good thing. I realize there are others to whom that is not necessarily a positive.

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Re: Trump’s “fascist” roots lie in the Republican Party

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Olderscout66 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce[3]

 

Although a few wish to deny it, clearly the trump administration and the trumpettes support this form of government.  From demanding the NFL fire it's players that kneel (radical Nationalism & forcible suppression of opposition) to shaming members of Congress that don't support his demands (dictatorial power).


NeoFascism /neo ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of Government by industry and Financial interests.

 

neoRepublicans use their time in office to expand the dictatorial powers of the President while stripping the Government of its power to regulate business and indusrty or protect the citizens against the power of Corporations.

 

If a Democratic President tries to undo the damage from the GOPerPOTUS, the neoRepublicans rant about him using those expanded PERSONAL powers they created. Meanwhile, it looks very likely the new Nazi on SCOTUS will side with the dead Nazi and make sure Gerrymandering remains the Law of the Land and GOPers will control more levels of Government with fewer votes. Thanks a bunch hillary haters.


Any substantiation for your theory or is it just another one of "those" ideas?

 

Also - gerrymandering is "Nazi"???? Seems it has been around for a long time through many Presidents.

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Centrist, thank you. RK never refutes anything. In his never ending goal of defending Donald Trump 7 days a week, he merely changes the subject, focuses on some trivial issue, or asks the same question repeatedly. Centrist and I are the forum users posting facts in this thread, while utilizing logic.

 

Trump Cult members never refute facts, they instead resort to their anti-liberal theme. That's very interesting because Centrist and I are NOT liberals.