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Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: Trump Tweet Foreshadows Nunes Immunity 4 Flynn?

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Oceansedge- denial is the way Republicans are protecting their sensibilities! seems that the truth is too much for them to handle.

Gee, I miss having a real President!!
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Re: Trump Tweet Foreshadows Nunes Immunity 4 Flynn?

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rk9152 wrote:

oceanedge2 wrote:

 

sp - What has been leaked could easily have been collected under FISA investigations.  To keep insisting they were spied on is simply untrue, unless it is proven otherwise.

 

Comey testified under oath that in July 2016 there were Trump/Russian/election investigations in process.  They were rightfully performing espionage activity of intelligence gathering and that work is ongoing. Why does dt refuse to accept that truth? Because it's all Obama's fault for even thinking Putin could be attacking the US through our presidential election. The nerve of him! If dt did accept/admit the truth, he would have to do something about it. So he sticks to his sore looser theory instead.

 

Rich - I  think we are seeing "False News" coming from its source, Donald J.

Well the truth hurts and besides, everyone knows Mr. Putin murders people who step out of line. There is a lot at stake for the new great American Company.

 

R k - As to Flynn's discussions with the Veep, that is an internal matter and has been dealt with.

Laughing Out Loud!

Flynn has not yet been put under oath and the field is wide open. I figure no one is safe.  Spys or otherwise.


I don't get the LOL - are discussions within the Administration not an internal matter to be handled internally??


the head of national security lying to the veep about beeing a foreign agent.. and you dont think that  should be a matter for the electorate to think about?. SOme posters here subscribe to upside down land to support this admin. every comment they have made on this thread flies in the face of common sense.

 

So it begins.
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Re: Trump Tweet Foreshadows Nunes Immunity 4 Flynn?

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rk9152 wrote:


 

the previous Administration spied on American citizens who happened to be part of the Trump team and unmasked them through unverified leaks to a compliant media.

 

When you or anyone else - hint hint - Nunes - provides anyone with any credible information that any of that happened

 

So far we all know

 

The Director of the FBI - Comey

 

The Director of the National Security Agency - Rogers

 

Former Director of the National Intelligence - Clapper

 

Have all stated under oath - none of that ever happened

 

 The information about Flynn got out somehow, that is why we are having an investigation. I suspect a lot of the confusion is the distinction between "wiretapped" and other more modern phraseology.


There is absolutely no credible evidence anywhere that supports your first point above about Obama spying on Americans - Obama was spying on Enemies of the USA - some Americans may have been recorded or surveilled talking to or meeting with Enemies of the USA....................thats the credible evidence available in the public record .................................

 

As to who provided evidence of Flynns Treasonous and Corrupt Criminal Activity - there is no credible evidence - only theories

 

For some reason you think whatever unmasking occurred is without a doubt - had to be something to do with a Democratic Conspiracy

 

What you fail to consider is the Nature of US Politics

 

1. Republicans not Democrats defeated a Healthcare Bill Contrived by the Republican Speaker of the House Ryan and supported by the Pscychopathic Compulsive Liar and Chief in the Whitehouse - Trump

 

2. The Republican Freedom Caucus - the Republican Heritage Foundation and the Republican Koch Brothers plus Republican Senator John McCain & Republican Senator Lindsey Graham have all made Negative Public Comments about Trump and Trump has attacked them all publicly as well

 

3. During the Campaign Trump made a lot of enemies in the Republican Party - many who have been in the US Government for decades and have a lot of allies in all branches of the US Government

 

4. During the Campaign -Trump made a lot of enemies with the other Republican Candidates - many who also hold High Ranking Positions in the US Government and have built up numerous contacts within the US Government Bureaucracies

 

Bottomline - There are as Many Republicans in this Country who are either in the US Government or have influence over those in the US Government that HATE Trump and have the same access to the same classified information as any Democrat and had the same opportuntity to unmask US Persons as anyone else. 

 

US Government Bureaucracies are called what they are called for a reason - they are not called Democratic Bureaucracies or Republican Bureaucracies because the same people have worked in the same US Government Agencies for Decades and some are Republicans and some are Democrats - and all US Government Employees who are Democrats were not in Love with Obama or his policies and all the US Goverenment Employees who are Republicans are not in Love with Trump or all of the Hoodlums & Criminals he has appointed to lead them..........................

 

If you had been paying attention you would have observed during the 8 years of the Obama Administration - Leaks Drove Him Crazy As Well - Again the nature of Politics and Government Bureaucracies

 

 

 

 

 

 

( " Eat Tic Tacs - Grope Woman - Become President " ) " - Anonymous

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Re: Trump Tweet Foreshadows Nunes Immunity 4 Flynn?

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Olderscout66 wrote:

Everybody thinks leakers have to be at "the same level" as the material leaked. Anyone care to guess how many high level Trumpers do their own typing and filing? How many in this maladministration, including Der lyingTrumper, have the brains to NOT discuss classified information in a public area? To use secure cellphones?

 

Der lyingTrumper hasn't been able to borrow from western banks for over a decade - something about him being a fur-scheisse risk and worthless businessman. There can be no doubt he's in hock up to his pasty-white eyelids to the Russian Oligarchs, Mob and Government, the only question is how much debt each of those hold.

 

LTG Flynn had been an agent of Turkey (a NATO member and long-time ally) after retiring, but he surely knew it was against the law for him to engage in any business with Russia, and yet he met with their ambassador, and the timing of the meet and subsequent events (Tsar Vlad doing nothing when President Obama expelled a boodle of Russians) suggest the conversations involved Der lyingTrumper's desire to lift the sanctions on Russia. Who out there is naive enough to think he'd do that WITHOUT an order from his new boss?

 

Der lyngTrumper is acting to protect his "brand" and if that must be at the expense of American interests and the security of our allies, so be it.

 

Trumpettes THINK they elected a shrewd businessman when what they actually did is put a spineless Quisling in the White House.

 

Der lyingTrumper will go down in History as the President who sold out America in the shortest time and then went on to push the Nation back into the 18th Century for our energy, human rights, and infrastructure.


Not much in there to discuss, just the usual "Vlad" and "pasty-white eyelids" but this did catch my attention - "but he surely knew it was against the law for him to engage in any business with Russia" - against which law?? After all Bill and Hillary did business with the Russians. If she could use her position as SecState to enrich the family business, why couldn't Flynn function in a public relations role for Turkey?

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Re: Trump Tweet Foreshadows Nunes Immunity 4 Flynn?

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Everybody thinks leakers have to be at "the same level" as the material leaked. Anyone care to guess how many high level Trumpers do their own typing and filing? How many in this maladministration, including Der lyingTrumper, have the brains to NOT discuss classified information in a public area? To use secure cellphones?

 

Der lyingTrumper hasn't been able to borrow from western banks for over a decade - something about him being a fur-scheisse risk and worthless businessman. There can be no doubt he's in hock up to his pasty-white eyelids to the Russian Oligarchs, Mob and Government, the only question is how much debt each of those hold.

 

LTG Flynn had been an agent of Turkey (a NATO member and long-time ally) after retiring, but he surely knew it was against the law for him to engage in any business with Russia, and yet he met with their ambassador, and the timing of the meet and subsequent events (Tsar Vlad doing nothing when President Obama expelled a boodle of Russians) suggest the conversations involved Der lyingTrumper's desire to lift the sanctions on Russia. Who out there is naive enough to think he'd do that WITHOUT an order from his new boss?

 

Der lyngTrumper is acting to protect his "brand" and if that must be at the expense of American interests and the security of our allies, so be it.

 

Trumpettes THINK they elected a shrewd businessman when what they actually did is put a spineless Quisling in the White House.

 

Der lyingTrumper will go down in History as the President who sold out America in the shortest time and then went on to push the Nation back into the 18th Century for our energy, human rights, and infrastructure.

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Re: Trump Tweet Foreshadows Nunes Immunity 4 Flynn?

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sp362 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Richva wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Let us not forget that the previous Administration spied on American citizens who happened to be part of the Trump team and unmasked them through unverified leaks to a compliant media.

 

That is the issue that needs looking into. As to Flynn's discussions with the Veep, that is an internal matter and has been dealt with.


And yet, even Trump said his only source was a Fox news commentator.  The FBI can not find any evidence of this. The House committee found no evidence of this. I  think we are seeing "False News" coming from its source, Donald J. 


It seems that the NYT articles based on information from "an unnamed source" should be proof that someone with the information leaked. And, supposedly, due to the nature of the material, it was a highly placed individual.


The question that you are not considering is WHY were these individuals under suspicion.  They were not being "spied on" for no reason.  Something they did drew the NSA's attention, whether it was hearing their conversations with Russians who were already under surveillance, or whether it was because of what they heard their surveillance targets talking about.  To claim that the previous administration ordered surveillance on these individuals for no reason is a baseless accusation.


That too is a valid question hopefully to be dealt with in the coming inquires. However, it has nothing to do with the subsequent leaking of the information gathered. That smacks of partisan politics.

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Re: Trump Tweet Foreshadows Nunes Immunity 4 Flynn?

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oceanedge2 wrote:

 

sp - What has been leaked could easily have been collected under FISA investigations.  To keep insisting they were spied on is simply untrue, unless it is proven otherwise.

 

Comey testified under oath that in July 2016 there were Trump/Russian/election investigations in process.  They were rightfully performing espionage activity of intelligence gathering and that work is ongoing. Why does dt refuse to accept that truth? Because it's all Obama's fault for even thinking Putin could be attacking the US through our presidential election. The nerve of him! If dt did accept/admit the truth, he would have to do something about it. So he sticks to his sore looser theory instead.

 

Rich - I  think we are seeing "False News" coming from its source, Donald J.

Well the truth hurts and besides, everyone knows Mr. Putin murders people who step out of line. There is a lot at stake for the new great American Company.

 

R k - As to Flynn's discussions with the Veep, that is an internal matter and has been dealt with.

Laughing Out Loud!

Flynn has not yet been put under oath and the field is wide open. I figure no one is safe.  Spys or otherwise.


I don't get the LOL - are discussions within the Administration not an internal matter to be handled internally??

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Re: Trump Tweet Foreshadows Nunes Immunity 4 Flynn?

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rk9152 wrote:

Richva wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Let us not forget that the previous Administration spied on American citizens who happened to be part of the Trump team and unmasked them through unverified leaks to a compliant media.

 

That is the issue that needs looking into. As to Flynn's discussions with the Veep, that is an internal matter and has been dealt with.


And yet, even Trump said his only source was a Fox news commentator.  The FBI can not find any evidence of this. The House committee found no evidence of this. I  think we are seeing "False News" coming from its source, Donald J. 


It seems that the NYT articles based on information from "an unnamed source" should be proof that someone with the information leaked. And, supposedly, due to the nature of the material, it was a highly placed individual.


The question that you are not considering is WHY were these individuals under suspicion.  They were not being "spied on" for no reason.  Something they did drew the NSA's attention, whether it was hearing their conversations with Russians who were already under surveillance, or whether it was because of what they heard their surveillance targets talking about.  To claim that the previous administration ordered surveillance on these individuals for no reason is a baseless accusation.

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Re: Trump Tweet Foreshadows Nunes Immunity 4 Flynn?

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mickstuder wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

gruffstuff wrote:

Ollie North should be in Prison - but the Congress gave him Immunity so they could all look like non-partisan truth seekers in Public Hearings

 

Could be that is what is going on


Let us not forget that the previous Administration spied on American citizens who happened to be part of the Trump team and unmasked them through unverified leaks to a compliant media.

 

That is the issue that needs looking into. As to Flynn's discussions with the Veep, that is an internal matter and has been dealt with.


Well Nice to See you got the Gestapos Talking Points Memo.......................but 

 

Uh Uh - NO NO - if I rob a bank and the cops have a CI who tips them off - I still Robbed a Bank and I'm still a Criminal..............................................

 

I'll be more than happy to accept you conspiracy theory that 

 

the previous Administration spied on American citizens who happened to be part of the Trump team and unmasked them through unverified leaks to a compliant media.

 

When you or anyone else - hint hint - Nunes - provides anyone with any credible information that any of that happened

 

So far we all know

 

The Director of the FBI - Comey

 

The Director of the National Security Agency - Rogers

 

Former Director of the National Intelligence - Clapper

 

Have all stated under oath - none of that ever happened

 

 The information about Flynn got out somehow, that is why we are having an investigation. I suspect a lot of the confusion is the distinction between "wiretapped" and other more modern phraseology.

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Re: Trump Tweet Foreshadows Nunes Immunity 4 Flynn?

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Richva wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Let us not forget that the previous Administration spied on American citizens who happened to be part of the Trump team and unmasked them through unverified leaks to a compliant media.

 

That is the issue that needs looking into. As to Flynn's discussions with the Veep, that is an internal matter and has been dealt with.


And yet, even Trump said his only source was a Fox news commentator.  The FBI can not find any evidence of this. The House committee found no evidence of this. I  think we are seeing "False News" coming from its source, Donald J. 


It seems that the NYT articles based on information from "an unnamed source" should be proof that someone with the information leaked. And, supposedly, due to the nature of the material, it was a highly placed individual.