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Frequent Social Butterfly
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Re: Trump Nomination Keeps Racial Status Quo

Message 21 of 49 (251 Views)

rker321 wrote:

Albion61 wrote:

rker321 wrote:

You know,  requesting a proper Id when you are voting may not be such a bad idea the problem is, that many minorities have trouble getting Id's 
Many have no idea on how to get birth certificates or even the State that they were born.
Perhpas if we were to facilitate these actions have a way of obtaining and verifiable ID was something not complicated or difficult and providing assistance to people that have any trouble doing so. that could be something that can be done. and not cause such a stir.

I have to believe that there has to be a very small section of the population that cannot obtain an ID from their local offices. 
Perhaps both Parties can help on this.


The thing is, these voter ID laws are a solution looking for a problem. There is no need for voter ID laws because in person voter fraud is almost non-existant. Certainly it's not enough of a problem to pass new laws requiring ID's that will accidentally disenfranchise thousands of voters who previously did not need them to vote. These disenfranchised voters happen to be low income, or seniors, or students, who tend to vote for Democrats. Once that became clear, Republicans made voter ID laws a major legislative priority after the 2010 midterm elections. You should familiarize yourself with ALEC's (American Legislative Exchange Council,) efforts to help Republicans by writing the original voter ID law and handing them out to Republican legislators at ALEC meetings.

 

In a country  that is polluted with foreigners of all kinds, races, etc, legal, illegal whatever and not just Americans, You cannot say, that not having proper documentation is such a bad iidea. and it has nothing to do with voter fraud. Probably there is little voter fraud. but I don't think that is the issue. For me the issue is to maintain the integrity of our elections.
We have now the Russians hacking the elections. and who know what else is doing what to our elections.
Minorities should be able to have very little problems securing a proper Id.  and  if they do, that is where the Parties and some laws can help.
There are also many white Americans that represent those who have problems in getting Id's  probably in the rural ares.
For a voter Id, if you are an American you simply need your birht certificate, make that available for free and easy to obtain. 
For American citizens that is even easier. I am sure that they have at least a Passport of a driver's licence. and that is all that is needed.
I believe that for whatever the reason  many have amplified the problem and now say in the same manner that Trump said that there is voter fraud, same thing for the "thousandd of voters that don't vote for lack of an ID.



I can't answer without mentioning that, "the country is polluted by foreigners," is the talk of an unapologetic racist.

 

"Probably there is little voter fraud, but but I don't think that is the issue." Yes, it is. You brought it up, and I showed you that voter ID has nothing to do with maintaining the integrity of our elections, then you make it about minorities needing a proper ID, more racist claptrap.

 

Your comments reflect that you are a clueless racist, unable or unwilling to abandon your prejudice for any reason, and that you don't care that Americans who previously voted are not able to vote because of conniving legislators and their amoral donors who pay for the legislation to damage the integrity of our elections.

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Re: Trump Nomination Keeps Racial Status Quo

Message 22 of 49 (268 Views)

NOTHAPPENING wrote:

Most on the radical left consider the requirement to show id when cashing a check is racist. Also so when visiting a doctor.  Also when applying for a credit card, or getting a drivers license, or purchasing a gun, or buying alcohol, or buying cigarettes, or when first establishing a pharmacy relationship, or buying a home, or a car, or registering at a college, or many more things.

 

Oh that's right, the left doesn't consider ANY of those things racist EXCEPT when voting - asking for proof of id when voting is racist to the radical left.  Most things (to the left) are racist, even equal opportunity.


I have never had to show a 'check cashing ID', a 'credit card ID', a 'driver's license ID', a 'gun purchasing ID', a buying alcohol ID, a 'buying cigarettes ID, a 'pharmacy ID', a 'home buying ID',  or a 'registering for college ID'.  Just a generic ID has served the purpose for anything requiring one, including voting.

 

Would "blind hatred" make someone think that everyone on the left thinks the same thing?


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Re: Trump Nomination Keeps Racial Status Quo

Message 23 of 49 (263 Views)

Albion61 wrote:

rker321 wrote:

You know,  requesting a proper Id when you are voting may not be such a bad idea the problem is, that many minorities have trouble getting Id's 
Many have no idea on how to get birth certificates or even the State that they were born.
Perhpas if we were to facilitate these actions have a way of obtaining and verifiable ID was something not complicated or difficult and providing assistance to people that have any trouble doing so. that could be something that can be done. and not cause such a stir.

I have to believe that there has to be a very small section of the population that cannot obtain an ID from their local offices. 
Perhaps both Parties can help on this.


The thing is, these voter ID laws are a solution looking for a problem. There is no need for voter ID laws because in person voter fraud is almost non-existant. Certainly it's not enough of a problem to pass new laws requiring ID's that will accidentally disenfranchise thousands of voters who previously did not need them to vote. These disenfranchised voters happen to be low income, or seniors, or students, who tend to vote for Democrats. Once that became clear, Republicans made voter ID laws a major legislative priority after the 2010 midterm elections. You should familiarize yourself with ALEC's (American Legislative Exchange Council,) efforts to help Republicans by writing the original voter ID law and handing them out to Republican legislators at ALEC meetings.

 

In a country  that is polluted with foreigners of all kinds, races, etc, legal, illegal whatever and not just Americans, You cannot say, that not having proper documentation is such a bad iidea. and it has nothing to do with voter fraud. Probably there is little voter fraud. but I don't think that is the issue. For me the issue is to maintain the integrity of our elections.
We have now the Russians hacking the elections. and who know what else is doing what to our elections.
Minorities should be able to have very little problems securing a proper Id.  and  if they do, that is where the Parties and some laws can help.
There are also many white Americans that represent those who have problems in getting Id's  probably in the rural ares.
For a voter Id, if you are an American you simply need your birht certificate, make that available for free and easy to obtain. 
For American citizens that is even easier. I am sure that they have at least a Passport of a driver's licence. and that is all that is needed.
I believe that for whatever the reason  many have amplified the problem and now say in the same manner that Trump said that there is voter fraud, same thing for the "thousandd of voters that don't vote for lack of an ID.

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Re: Trump Nomination Keeps Racial Status Quo

Message 24 of 49 (266 Views)

Albion61 wrote:

rker321 wrote:

You know,  requesting a proper Id when you are voting may not be such a bad idea the problem is, that many minorities have trouble getting Id's 
Many have no idea on how to get birth certificates or even the State that they were born.
Perhpas if we were to facilitate these actions have a way of obtaining and verifiable ID was something not complicated or difficult and providing assistance to people that have any trouble doing so. that could be something that can be done. and not cause such a stir.

I have to believe that there has to be a very small section of the population that cannot obtain an ID from their local offices. 
Perhaps both Parties can help on this.


The thing is, these voter ID laws are a solution looking for a problem. There is no need for voter ID laws because in person voter fraud is almost non-existant. Certainly it's not enough of a problem to pass new laws requiring ID's that will accidentally disenfranchise thousands of voters who previously did not need them to vote. These disenfranchised voters happen to be low income, or seniors, or students, who tend to vote for Democrats. Once that became clear, Republicans made voter ID laws a major legislative priority after the 2010 midterm elections. You should familiarize yourself with ALEC's (American Legislative Exchange Council,) efforts to help Republicans by writing the original voter ID law and handing them out to Republican legislators at ALEC meetings.

 

http://www.law.nyu.edu/news/BRENNAN_CENTER_VOTERID_STUDY

 

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/What_is_ALEC%3F


You could say the same thing about cashing a check, or visiting a doctor, or buying a car.  They are all "solutions" looking for a problem but the problems are minimized by REQUIRING proper id in ALL the cases.  Try next time a policeman pulls you over and asks for your license and say "trust me" I'm good. See how well it works.

You minimize fraud by having voter id.  For those that are destitute, I would require federal ids be supplied FOR FREE.  It's not about race but accuracy.

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Re: Trump Nomination Keeps Racial Status Quo

Message 25 of 49 (269 Views)

rker321 wrote:

You know,  requesting a proper Id when you are voting may not be such a bad idea the problem is, that many minorities have trouble getting Id's 
Many have no idea on how to get birth certificates or even the State that they were born.
Perhpas if we were to facilitate these actions have a way of obtaining and verifiable ID was something not complicated or difficult and providing assistance to people that have any trouble doing so. that could be something that can be done. and not cause such a stir.

I have to believe that there has to be a very small section of the population that cannot obtain an ID from their local offices. 
Perhaps both Parties can help on this.


The thing is, these voter ID laws are a solution looking for a problem. There is no need for voter ID laws because in person voter fraud is almost non-existant. Certainly it's not enough of a problem to pass new laws requiring ID's that will accidentally disenfranchise thousands of voters who previously did not need them to vote. These disenfranchised voters happen to be low income, or seniors, or students, who tend to vote for Democrats. Once that became clear, Republicans made voter ID laws a major legislative priority after the 2010 midterm elections. You should familiarize yourself with ALEC's (American Legislative Exchange Council,) efforts to help Republicans by writing the original voter ID law and handing them out to Republican legislators at ALEC meetings.

 

http://www.law.nyu.edu/news/BRENNAN_CENTER_VOTERID_STUDY

 

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/What_is_ALEC%3F

Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: Trump Nomination Keeps Racial Status Quo

Message 26 of 49 (281 Views)

You know,  requesting a proper Id when you are voting may not be such a bad idea the problem is, that many minorities have trouble getting Id's 
Many have no idea on how to get birth certificates or even the State that they were born.
Perhpas if we were to facilitate these actions have a way of obtaining and verifiable ID was something not complicated or difficult and providing assistance to people that have any trouble doing so. that could be something that can be done. and not cause such a stir.

I have to believe that there has to be a very small section of the population that cannot obtain an ID from their local offices. 
Perhaps both Parties can help on this.

Valued Social Butterfly
Posts: 11,066
Registered: ‎06-07-2010

Re: Trump Nomination Keeps Racial Status Quo

Message 27 of 49 (289 Views)

Most on the radical left consider the requirement to show id when cashing a check is racist. Also so when visiting a doctor.  Also when applying for a credit card, or getting a drivers license, or purchasing a gun, or buying alcohol, or buying cigarettes, or when first establishing a pharmacy relationship, or buying a home, or a car, or registering at a college, or many more things.

 

Oh that's right, the left doesn't consider ANY of those things racist EXCEPT when voting - asking for proof of id when voting is racist to the radical left.  Most things (to the left) are racist, even equal opportunity.

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Re: Trump Nomination Keeps Racial Status Quo

Message 28 of 49 (265 Views)


rk9152 wrote:

alferdpacker wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

nctarheel wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Albion61 wrote:

In the federal court district of eastern North Carolina, with a 27% black population that has never had a black judge, Trump wants to fill the longest running district court vancncy in country with an attorney who fought for the GOP's effort to disenfranchise black voters in North Carolina with a voter ID law, and racial gerrymandering. Both of those laws passed by the Republican dominated General Assembly were overturned by the US Supreme Court as racially unsound.

 

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article16...


an attorney who fought for the GOP's effort to disenfranchise black voters in North Carolina with a voter ID law

The above is a disgusting, racist comment. It assumes that while white people a fully capable of taking care on their ID requirements, black people are to stupid to do the same thing.

 

Isn't it time to start thinking about "Americans", not dividing us up into various "victim" groups in need of special treatment due to their assumed lack of abilities?


@rk9152,

 

It's time to talk about THE REAL TRUTH again.

 

What you term a racist comment above by @Albion61 is anything but one.

 

If you used your same flawed analysis, you would also say that the VOTING RIGHTS ACT of 1965 was also racist and thus, the Legislative and Executive Branches of the Federal Government were racist.

 

If you used your same flawed analysis, you would say that the overturning of the ID Law was also racist and thus, the SUPREME COURT was racist.

 

In fact, any positive ground that the Civil Rights Movement ever accomplished would be racist, using your flawed analysis.

 

The analysis you use is the same type analysis used by organizations such as the KKK and American Renaissance.

 

So, let's use the REAL TRUTH..... the Republicans in NC (and I live here) tried to place as many roadblocks to Black voters as they possibly could in order to reduce the power of the Black vote. They hired an attorney to defend them in this endeavor. That is the same attorney that THE PORCINE PRESIDENT is nominating for judgeship. It is obvious to most that if anyone is racist in this scenario; it is the PORCINE PRESIDENT.

 

If you feel that you must twist the REAL TRUTH to reflect the opposite, you are welcome to do so; however, be aware that an opinion in that direction puts your opinion in line with the opinions of the two organizations named above, The KKK and The American Renaissance.

 

 


Despite all the words, the bottom line is that assuming a black does not have the same abilities as a white to acquire a voter ID is offensively racist.

 

Silliness about "PORCINE PRESIDENT" does not change that basic reality.


Doesn't change the fact that trump is a racist.


Really??? That's all ya got??? Is it acceptable to you to assume that a black is not capable of doing the same as a white person in securing a voter ID? Sounds a bit racist it me.


As predictable as the sun rising in the East.

 

Bogus, too.

Have pity for Melania - she wakes up with a jerk every morning
Frequent Social Butterfly
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Re: Trump Nomination Keeps Racial Status Quo

Message 29 of 49 (266 Views)

Olderscout66 wrote:

 

 

Republicans totally support these voter disenfranchisement laws because they help GOPers win without having to get a majority of the vote, and deprive minorities of equal protection under the law.


Yes, that's it exactly. It's one way that rightists defeat majority rule in the country, and states. The evil genuises at ALEC who devised voter ID in the first place, later changed their evil ways and said publicly that they would refrain from such efforts to help Republican legislators to game the system, but by then it was common practice to promote such laws in Republican majority states.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alec-backs-down-in-wake-of-backlash-over-voter-id-stand-your-ground-laws...

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Re: Trump Nomination Keeps Racial Status Quo

Message 30 of 49 (260 Views)

alferdpacker wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

nctarheel wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Albion61 wrote:

In the federal court district of eastern North Carolina, with a 27% black population that has never had a black judge, Trump wants to fill the longest running district court vancncy in country with an attorney who fought for the GOP's effort to disenfranchise black voters in North Carolina with a voter ID law, and racial gerrymandering. Both of those laws passed by the Republican dominated General Assembly were overturned by the US Supreme Court as racially unsound.

 

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article16...


an attorney who fought for the GOP's effort to disenfranchise black voters in North Carolina with a voter ID law

The above is a disgusting, racist comment. It assumes that while white people a fully capable of taking care on their ID requirements, black people are to stupid to do the same thing.

 

Isn't it time to start thinking about "Americans", not dividing us up into various "victim" groups in need of special treatment due to their assumed lack of abilities?


@rk9152,

 

It's time to talk about THE REAL TRUTH again.

 

What you term a racist comment above by @Albion61 is anything but one.

 

If you used your same flawed analysis, you would also say that the VOTING RIGHTS ACT of 1965 was also racist and thus, the Legislative and Executive Branches of the Federal Government were racist.

 

If you used your same flawed analysis, you would say that the overturning of the ID Law was also racist and thus, the SUPREME COURT was racist.

 

In fact, any positive ground that the Civil Rights Movement ever accomplished would be racist, using your flawed analysis.

 

The analysis you use is the same type analysis used by organizations such as the KKK and American Renaissance.

 

So, let's use the REAL TRUTH..... the Republicans in NC (and I live here) tried to place as many roadblocks to Black voters as they possibly could in order to reduce the power of the Black vote. They hired an attorney to defend them in this endeavor. That is the same attorney that THE PORCINE PRESIDENT is nominating for judgeship. It is obvious to most that if anyone is racist in this scenario; it is the PORCINE PRESIDENT.

 

If you feel that you must twist the REAL TRUTH to reflect the opposite, you are welcome to do so; however, be aware that an opinion in that direction puts your opinion in line with the opinions of the two organizations named above, The KKK and The American Renaissance.

 

 


Despite all the words, the bottom line is that assuming a black does not have the same abilities as a white to acquire a voter ID is offensively racist.

 

Silliness about "PORCINE PRESIDENT" does not change that basic reality.


Doesn't change the fact that trump is a racist.


Really??? That's all ya got??? Is it acceptable to you to assume that a black is not capable of doing the same as a white person in securing a voter ID? Sounds a bit racist it me.