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Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: The enormity of Trump’s scam is coming into view

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rk9152 wrote"If fear about ISSIS is reasonable, it is not "generated for political purposes."

 

From the odds I posted, maybe you should be fearing other things far more than ISIS.

 

"I have seen no "hatred of immigrant". I have seen a desire for reasonable caution regarding people coming from certain areas of the world.

 

Again, look at the odds.  You are far more likely to be killed by a domestic "terrorist".  Also, can you deny Trump was using hatred of illegal immigrants to advance his cause?

 

"I have no idea what your point about "stealing or corruption" is about."

 

These are the ways that people influence others to their way of thinking by talking about how outsiders and others are corrupting your way of life or stealing your birth right, driving their supporters into a political frenzy.

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Re: The enormity of Trump’s scam is coming into view

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sp362 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

j872659t wrote:

Republicans rise to power is based on a three prong approach: fear, hate and blame. Nothing else to offer. Only fools believe they will do (or have done) anything help the middle class and working poor. Trickle down economics is like peeing on your leg and telling you it’s raining.


In  a way your theory is accurate albeit crudely stated:

 

"fear" - ISSIS has declared war on us and killed our people as well as innocent citizens of our allies. We recently emerged from an Administration that refused to label them what they are and, in fact, referred to them as "the JV Team". That should make American citizens afraid.

 

"hate" - as in the above, there is nothing wrong with hating such people - singing "Give Peace a Chance" while waving lighters simply does not do the trick. Remember also that some on your side of the street labeled a call for national borders as "hate". So, a lot of the "hate" you see is manufactured. Speaking of "hate", how about, "What do we want, dead cops. When to we want them, now". Do you think that was coming from Trump supporters or the other (your) side of the street"?

 

"blame" - properly assigning responsibility for the above as well as the socialist programs adopted by the Progressives is "honesty".


Your points seem to miss the points.

 

Fear is generated for political purposes and to have fearful people voluntarily give up their rights.  Let's look at your ISIS explanation:  The lifetime odds of being killed by a terrorist (including organizations other than ISIS are 1 in 45,808 and that factors in the 2,983 killed on 9/11.  Your odds of being killed by a Refugee Terrorist are 1 in 46,192,893.  Your odds of being killed by an illegal immigrant terrorist are 1 in 138,324,873.  Your odds of being struck by lightning are 1 in 3,000 and your odds of being killed by a gun are 1 in 358.  So why fan the flames of fear, unless it is for a political end?

 

Hate goes well beyond terrorists.  The easiest example is generating a hatred of a group (in this case immigrants) who are somehow stealing or corrupting what would rightfully belong to Real Americans only and again, using that for political purposes.  (remind you of anybody in the 20th century?)

 

Blame   Again assigning blame for what is happening in peoples lives to different groups.  This blame is then used to generate votes by promoting an "us vs them" philosophy.


If fear about ISSIS is reasonable, it is not "generated for political purposes.

 

I have seen no "hatred of immigrant". I have seen a desire for reasonable caution regarding people coming from certain areas of the world. Just think how much better it would have been in Manchester if the Brits had exercised more caution.

 

I have no idea what your point about "stealing or corruption" is about. If you are referring to our southern border - we, as a nation, have a right and the government has an obligation to secure out borders. We decide who comes in. Do you have a problem with that??

 

"Blame" - if someone is here but shouldn't be here, is it not appropriate to assign responsibility (blame)?

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Re: The enormity of Trump’s scam is coming into view

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rk9152 wrote:

j872659t wrote:

Republicans rise to power is based on a three prong approach: fear, hate and blame. Nothing else to offer. Only fools believe they will do (or have done) anything help the middle class and working poor. Trickle down economics is like peeing on your leg and telling you it’s raining.


In  a way your theory is accurate albeit crudely stated:

 

"fear" - ISSIS has declared war on us and killed our people as well as innocent citizens of our allies. We recently emerged from an Administration that refused to label them what they are and, in fact, referred to them as "the JV Team". That should make American citizens afraid.

 

"hate" - as in the above, there is nothing wrong with hating such people - singing "Give Peace a Chance" while waving lighters simply does not do the trick. Remember also that some on your side of the street labeled a call for national borders as "hate". So, a lot of the "hate" you see is manufactured. Speaking of "hate", how about, "What do we want, dead cops. When to we want them, now". Do you think that was coming from Trump supporters or the other (your) side of the street"?

 

"blame" - properly assigning responsibility for the above as well as the socialist programs adopted by the Progressives is "honesty".


Your points seem to miss the points.

 

Fear is generated for political purposes and to have fearful people voluntarily give up their rights.  Let's look at your ISIS explanation:  The lifetime odds of being killed by a terrorist (including organizations other than ISIS are 1 in 45,808 and that factors in the 2,983 killed on 9/11.  Your odds of being killed by a Refugee Terrorist are 1 in 46,192,893.  Your odds of being killed by an illegal immigrant terrorist are 1 in 138,324,873.  Your odds of being struck by lightning are 1 in 3,000 and your odds of being killed by a gun are 1 in 358.  So why fan the flames of fear, unless it is for a political end?

 

Hate goes well beyond terrorists.  The easiest example is generating a hatred of a group (in this case immigrants) who are somehow stealing or corrupting what would rightfully belong to Real Americans only and again, using that for political purposes.  (remind you of anybody in the 20th century?)

 

Blame   Again assigning blame for what is happening in peoples lives to different groups.  This blame is then used to generate votes by promoting an "us vs them" philosophy.

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Re: The enormity of Trump’s scam is coming into view

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rk9152 wrote:

pc6063 wrote:

Scout--Those in denial with regard to the raping of the middle class and poor will continue to deny.


Possibly you could offer your definition of "rape" with numbers for scout's claims that you seem to support.


Perhaps you could provide numbers showing that Scout's are wrong?


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Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: The enormity of Trump’s scam is coming into view

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pc6063 wrote:

Scout--Those in denial with regard to the raping of the middle class and poor will continue to deny.


Possibly you could offer your definition of "rape" with numbers for scout's claims that you seem to support.

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Re: The enormity of Trump’s scam is coming into view

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The enormity of Trump's scam is too big for some bigoted and narrow minded right wing (rarely wise) minds to see and understand. The mindless defense of any of Trump's actions will continue to be defended and praised.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: The enormity of Trump’s scam is coming into view

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Olderscout66 wrote:

Trump's budget:

1. Cuts $800Billion from Medicaid, chopping 14 MILLION poor Americans from the rolls.

2. Cuts other entitlements by $1.7 TRILLION , virtually abolishing CHIPS, SSDI, Student Loans and Grants and food assistance for the poor.

 

Anyone still think he's a "populist" concerned about the fate of the working men and women of America?

 


The usual vague shotgun but let's focus on, "...virtually abolished CHIPs, SSDI, Student Loans and Grants and food assistance for the poor".

 

Could you offer the numbers that you see as "virtually abolish"?

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Re: The enormity of Trump’s scam is coming into view

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pc6063 wrote:

Scout--Those in denial with regard to the raping of the middle class and poor will continue to deny.


And then they'll whine about the lack of a COLA increase.....


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Re: The enormity of Trump’s scam is coming into view

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CriticalThinking wrote:

The enormity of Trump's Scam may be coming into view for intelligent people, but his supporters live in an alternate reality. They see nothing wrong in the world lead by Trump, and they approve of every idiotic decision made by their hero. They will not criticize him in any way, shape, or form. 

 

It's interesting to note that many of those same voters blamed President Obama for everything which went wrong in the world, yet they never blame their hero Trump or hold him accountable for anything. Can anyone explain that bizarre discrepancy?


You approach but do not quite arrive at truth. We see nothing wrong with the "free world" once again being led by the USofA regardless of who the President is.

 

I do not recall anyone blaming Obama for "everything that went wrong" - only the things that went wrong because of his involvement.

 

And finally - "hero" - grow up. Many people voted for him because of the terrible alternative offered by the Progressives and support him now as he is our President and seems to have the interests of America first.

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Re: The enormity of Trump’s scam is coming into view

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j872659t wrote:

Republicans rise to power is based on a three prong approach: fear, hate and blame. Nothing else to offer. Only fools believe they will do (or have done) anything help the middle class and working poor. Trickle down economics is like peeing on your leg and telling you it’s raining.


In  a way your theory is accurate albeit crudely stated:

 

"fear" - ISSIS has declared war on us and killed our people as well as innocent citizens of our allies. We recently emerged from an Administration that refused to label them what they are and, in fact, referred to them as "the JV Team". That should make American citizens afraid.

 

"hate" - as in the above, there is nothing wrong with hating such people - singing "Give Peace a Chance" while waving lighters simply does not do the trick. Remember also that some on your side of the street labeled a call for national borders as "hate". So, a lot of the "hate" you see is manufactured. Speaking of "hate", how about, "What do we want, dead cops. When to we want them, now". Do you think that was coming from Trump supporters or the other (your) side of the street"?

 

"blame" - properly assigning responsibility for the above as well as the socialist programs adopted by the Progressives is "honesty".