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Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: The Russia Story is No Longer Just smoke-It’s Fire!

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I have a serious problem every time I hear that some Corporation was fined for some violation of the law.

PEOPLE, WAKE UP!! The "Corporation" is a legal fiction with no ability to function WITHOUT HUMAN DIRECTION. If Tillerson was getting the big bucks for (allegedly) running EXXON when the crime was committed, HE should pay the $2M, and so should every exec between him and the clerk who "typed the memo" directing employees violate the law.

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Re: The Russia Story is No Longer Just smoke-It’s Fire!

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@mandm84--This administration just keeps getting dirtier each day. Thanks for this post and the information provided. Alarming! One wonders in what facilities these traitors will be housed although for their own safety, the SHU will have to be enlarged where ever they go. ( For those who may not know--SHU)--solitary housing unit--in 23/24--out--alone--under guard 1/24.)  Seems appropriate, doesn't it, Mandm?

Gee, I miss having a real President!!
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Re: The Russia Story is No Longer Just smoke-It’s Fire!

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For my friend Sgt. Schultz -

 

Exxon Mobil fined $2 million for violating sanctions against Russia when Rex Tillerson was CEO
Tracy Wilkinson

 


Exxon Mobil Corp. showed "reckless disregard" for U.S. sanctions on Russia three years ago while Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was the oil giant's chief executive officer, the Treasury Department said Thursday. 
It fined the company $2 million, the maximum civil penalty under the law, calling the violation an "egregious case."
Exxon "is a sophisticated and experienced oil and gas company that has global operations" and should know better when it comes to U.S. sanctions, Treasury said.
The Texas-based company has denied wrong doing and indicated late Thursday that it would sue the U.S. government to block the fine.
In a statement, Treasury said Exxon had violated U.S. sanctions when it signed contracts in May 2014 with Russian oil magnate Igor Sechin, chairman of government-owned energy giant Rosneft.
The Obama administration had blacklisted Sechin, Tillerson's longtime business associate, as part of its response to Moscow's annexation of Crimea and its support for armed separatists in eastern Ukraine.
The same month Exxon signed the contracts, Tillerson said the energy company generally opposes sanctions and finds them "ineffective."
Since taking over the State Department, however, Tillerson has declared that U.S. sanctions will stay in place until the Kremlin reverses course in Ukraine and gives back Crimea to the government in Kiev.
"The U.S. and [European Union] sanctions on Russia will remain in place until Moscow reverses the actions that triggered these particular sanctions," Tillerson said this month during a visit to Ukraine.
Critics say the breach of U.S. sanctions when he led Exxon could undermine his ability to credibly enforce the sanctions on Russia and persuade European countries to keep doing so.
In a statement, Exxon complained that the $2 million fine was "fundamentally unfair" because the government was "trying to retroactively enforce a new interpretation of an executive order." 
Concerns about Tillerson's potential conflict of interest as a former oil executive dominated his confirmation hearings in January. After taking office, he recused himself from matters dealing with his former company.
The State Department said Thursday it wasn't involved in the decision to punish Exxon for violating the sanctions. It declined comment on Tillerson's role. 
"The secretary continues to abide by his ethical commitments, including that recusal from Exxon-related commitments," said State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert.
In its announcement Thursday, the Treasury Department said Exxon's "senior-most executives" knew Sechin was on a U.S. blacklist when the presidents of two Exxon subsidiaries signed eight legal documents with Sechen in May 2014.
The Office of Foreign Assets Control, or OFAC, said Exxon caused "significant harm" to the sanctions program by engaging in transactions with a Russian government official contributing to the Ukraine crisis.
Exxon's dispute with the government involves, in part, a disagreement over whether U.S. sanctions differentiated between "professional" and "personal" interactions with Sechin, who had been blacklisted weeks before the contracts were signed.
Exxon said "clear guidance" from the White House and the Treasury Department at the time had indicated that only engaging with Sechin in a personal capacity was prohibited.
It noted that Rosneft, the Russian oil company that he headed, was not under U.S. sanctions.
But the Treasury Department rejected that argument, saying the U.S. government never gave Exxon or anyone else a reason to believe there was an exception for professional dealings.
The department noted that its sanctions website explicitly warned companies not to enter into any contracts with people on the blacklist.
In May 2014, Neil Duffin, president of subsidiary Exxon Mobil Development, signed several deals to continue work on the massive Sakhalin oil and natural gas project on Russia's eastern coast.
A photo posted on Rosneft's website shows Sechin and Duffin smiling broadly and shaking hands at a conference table with documents and a pen in front of them.
A few days later, Tillerson was publicly stated Exxon's opposition to the sanctions during his company's annual meeting.
"We do not support sanctions, generally, because we don't find them to be effective unless they are very well implemented comprehensibly and that's a very hard thing to do," he said.
As head of Exxon, Tillerson played a central role in developing the multi-billion dollar Sakhalin deal. He knew both Sechin and Russian President Vladimir Putin for more than a decade before President Trump chose him as secretary of State.
After the Obama administration imposed sanctions on Russia, Tillerson saw a direct threat to Exxon's stake in the then-promising offshore drilling project.  
Tillerson visited the White House numerous times after the sanctions were announced, but they were not lifted.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-exxon-mobil-fined-2-mi...

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Re: The Russia Story is No Longer Just smoke-It’s Fire!

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Cent--To quote a very intelligent person I know---BAM

BAM, BAM, BAM!!!

Still laughing!!!

Gee, I miss having a real President!!
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Re: The Russia Story is No Longer Just smoke-It’s Fire!

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rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

pc6063 wrote:

@rk9152RE: "the hatred that permeates our boards" 

Yeah, people who love this country and what it stood for HATE what trump is doing. They hate the "above the law mentality," they hate the rolling back of regulations put in place to protect, they hate that millions will be left without insurance, they hate the blatant lies told just to gain office--( the wall, I won't touch medicaid, medicare, wonderful health care), they hate that this fool is an international joke, they hate the constant chaos, incompetence, intensifying evidence of criminality, the double standards, the hypocracy, the naming of total incompetents to high level jobs, they hate the myriad ties to Russia, they hate the fact trump can't be trusted, and that nothing he says can be considered truth, leaving someone who should represent the best of what America has to offer with no credibility and very little respect.

YEAH AMERICANS HATE THAT--Latest approval poll--36%--lowest since these types of polls started--guess it's not just those participating in "our boards" who HATE, not so blindly at all, what this incompetent is doing TO our country.


Sounds like you approve of the lies about Mobile Exxon because........well, just because.

 

Another perfect example of the "blind hatred I often refer to and others exhibit while denying it.


Maybe about as much as you approve the 866 lies and disinformation made by the Liar-in-Chief over the last 6 months.


A poster put up a lie about Mobile and the Trump Administration. It was challenged. What has the Post story have to do with that??


Oh, don't you know?  Let's see.....866 lies/disinformation your boy trumpy has made in 6 months.  Certainly you must believe that's "blind hatred" of the American people which you fail to refer to and consistently embrace, though denying it.


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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Re: The Russia Story is No Longer Just smoke-It’s Fire!

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Centristsin2010 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

pc6063 wrote:

@rk9152RE: "the hatred that permeates our boards" 

Yeah, people who love this country and what it stood for HATE what trump is doing. They hate the "above the law mentality," they hate the rolling back of regulations put in place to protect, they hate that millions will be left without insurance, they hate the blatant lies told just to gain office--( the wall, I won't touch medicaid, medicare, wonderful health care), they hate that this fool is an international joke, they hate the constant chaos, incompetence, intensifying evidence of criminality, the double standards, the hypocracy, the naming of total incompetents to high level jobs, they hate the myriad ties to Russia, they hate the fact trump can't be trusted, and that nothing he says can be considered truth, leaving someone who should represent the best of what America has to offer with no credibility and very little respect.

YEAH AMERICANS HATE THAT--Latest approval poll--36%--lowest since these types of polls started--guess it's not just those participating in "our boards" who HATE, not so blindly at all, what this incompetent is doing TO our country.


Sounds like you approve of the lies about Mobile Exxon because........well, just because.

 

Another perfect example of the "blind hatred I often refer to and others exhibit while denying it.


Maybe about as much as you approve the 866 lies and disinformation made by the Liar-in-Chief over the last 6 months.


A poster put up a lie about Mobile and the Trump Administration. It was challenged. What has the Post story have to do with that??

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Re: The Russia Story is No Longer Just smoke-It’s Fire!

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rk9152 wrote:

pc6063 wrote:

@rk9152RE: "the hatred that permeates our boards" 

Yeah, people who love this country and what it stood for HATE what trump is doing. They hate the "above the law mentality," they hate the rolling back of regulations put in place to protect, they hate that millions will be left without insurance, they hate the blatant lies told just to gain office--( the wall, I won't touch medicaid, medicare, wonderful health care), they hate that this fool is an international joke, they hate the constant chaos, incompetence, intensifying evidence of criminality, the double standards, the hypocracy, the naming of total incompetents to high level jobs, they hate the myriad ties to Russia, they hate the fact trump can't be trusted, and that nothing he says can be considered truth, leaving someone who should represent the best of what America has to offer with no credibility and very little respect.

YEAH AMERICANS HATE THAT--Latest approval poll--36%--lowest since these types of polls started--guess it's not just those participating in "our boards" who HATE, not so blindly at all, what this incompetent is doing TO our country.


Sounds like you approve of the lies about Mobile Exxon because........well, just because.

 

Another perfect example of the "blind hatred I often refer to and others exhibit while denying it.


Maybe about as much as you approve the 866 lies and disinformation made by the Liar-in-Chief over the last 6 months.


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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Re: The Russia Story is No Longer Just smoke-It’s Fire!

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rk9152 wrote:

alferdpacker wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

alferdpacker wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

pc6063 wrote:

Mandm--RE: just a coincidence--wonder if trump supporters believe in unicorns too! Seens their belief systems are all askew, so they probably do!


Focus, Dear Heart, focus - the topic is lies about Mobile Exxon, not unicorns.


No it's not - The TOPIC is the ENTIRE Russia story - Jared's lies and hundreds of deliberate omissions - Jr's treasonous intent and lies about that, as well as treasonous words/actions/attempts by the lemontop skidmark that have not yet surfaced.

 

No cigar.

 


Distraction, endless questions and distractions are the only tools that can be used by those with "Blind Hatred" for Obama, Hillary and the Left. And these 'tools' are used endlessly by a few Right Wingers here.


Why don't we just put this to bed once and for all. Show me examples comparable to refusing to capitalize the name of either Obama or Hillary. Show me something comparable to "tRUMP and agent orange" with either of them. Show me posts about the mouth of either of them being used for sexual purposes.

 

Do that and we can resolve the issue. 


GUIDELINES specifies that - "Sexually explicit and vulgar language and images are not permitted in this community."

The red highlighted portion of the post seems like a deliberate and calculated attempt to bait another poster to post something that violates GUIDELINES - trying to set a trap as it were - that's not good citizenship at all...

 


A very interesting point. Is it against the rules to bring it to the boards in the first place or is it against the rules to point out that some one brought it up??

 

The current scenario seems to point to a poster who thought it was wonderful (and a kudoes magnet) to bring it up but then tries to attract the attention of the monitors when their poor judgement is pointed out.

 

I guess we will see.


The very obvious issue remains - that the entire Russia story illustrates that lying appears to be something certain people associated with trump have engaged in - and quite possibly that treason may well be be something that certain people associated with trump may have engaged in...

 

Time will tell...

Have pity for Melania - she wakes up with a jerk every morning
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Re: The Russia Story is No Longer Just smoke-It’s Fire!

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alferdpacker wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

alferdpacker wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

pc6063 wrote:

Mandm--RE: just a coincidence--wonder if trump supporters believe in unicorns too! Seens their belief systems are all askew, so they probably do!


Focus, Dear Heart, focus - the topic is lies about Mobile Exxon, not unicorns.


No it's not - The TOPIC is the ENTIRE Russia story - Jared's lies and hundreds of deliberate omissions - Jr's treasonous intent and lies about that, as well as treasonous words/actions/attempts by the lemontop skidmark that have not yet surfaced.

 

No cigar.

 


Distraction, endless questions and distractions are the only tools that can be used by those with "Blind Hatred" for Obama, Hillary and the Left. And these 'tools' are used endlessly by a few Right Wingers here.


Why don't we just put this to bed once and for all. Show me examples comparable to refusing to capitalize the name of either Obama or Hillary. Show me something comparable to "tRUMP and agent orange" with either of them. Show me posts about the mouth of either of them being used for sexual purposes.

 

Do that and we can resolve the issue. 


GUIDELINES specifies that - "Sexually explicit and vulgar language and images are not permitted in this community."

The red highlighted portion of the post seems like a deliberate and calculated attempt to bait another poster to post something that violates GUIDELINES - trying to set a trap as it were - that's not good citizenship at all...

 


A very interesting point. Is it against the rules to bring it to the boards in the first place or is it against the rules to point out that some one brought it up??

 

The current scenario seems to point to a poster who thought it was wonderful (and a kudoes magnet) to bring it up but then tries to attract the attention of the monitors when their poor judgement is pointed out.

 

I guess we will see.

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Re: The Russia Story is No Longer Just smoke-It’s Fire!

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rk9152 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

alferdpacker wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

pc6063 wrote:

Mandm--RE: just a coincidence--wonder if trump supporters believe in unicorns too! Seens their belief systems are all askew, so they probably do!


Focus, Dear Heart, focus - the topic is lies about Mobile Exxon, not unicorns.


No it's not - The TOPIC is the ENTIRE Russia story - Jared's lies and hundreds of deliberate omissions - Jr's treasonous intent and lies about that, as well as treasonous words/actions/attempts by the lemontop skidmark that have not yet surfaced.

 

No cigar.

 


Distraction, endless questions and distractions are the only tools that can be used by those with "Blind Hatred" for Obama, Hillary and the Left. And these 'tools' are used endlessly by a few Right Wingers here.


Why don't we just put this to bed once and for all. Show me examples comparable to refusing to capitalize the name of either Obama or Hillary. Show me something comparable to "tRUMP and agent orange" with either of them. Show me posts about the mouth of either of them being used for sexual purposes.

 

Do that and we can resolve the issue. 


GUIDELINES specifies that - "Sexually explicit and vulgar language and images are not permitted in this community."

The red highlighted portion of the post seems like a deliberate and calculated attempt to bait another poster to post something that violates GUIDELINES - trying to set a trap as it were - that's not good citizenship at all...

 

Have pity for Melania - she wakes up with a jerk every morning