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Funny, when sending kids off to die in War no property requirement

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Isn't it funny, that when we send kids off to war, to fight and die, rich people like Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump, Dick Cheney never seem to make it to the Battlefield. Spineless, Chickenhawk Draft Dodger Donald Trump had four deferments and a BOO BOO on his foot. I Love Trump's claim that he is a self-made millionaire, the $200,000,000 that Daddy gave him had nothing to do with his money? From 16-year-old Westie and Green Beret Mickey Feathersone to Special Prosecutor and Purple Heart Winner Lt. Robert Mueller to General Jimmy Stewart's son Ron, Killed in Vietnam, heroes are the guys who go not the ones who don't.  If you want a property requirement for voting, then the only ones who should die in our wars are people with property. 

 

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Re: The BENEFITS of the Administrative State.

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rk9152 wrote:

john258 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

afisher wrote:

   So the RW is mad that Sessions is attacking the rights of States to legalize pot within the boundaries of their own State....right?

   Are these same folks wanting to walk back voting rights to property holders?

   Those who wrote the Constitution were immigrants....I can only suggest that the whiners consider that instead of the nonsense that they cherry pick to "support".

    

     This is an instance where federal law and State law conflicts. Under those circumstances, federal law wins.

 

Now, who have you heard looking to restrict voting to property owners?


 


Hate to break the news to you but you have stated that you want to go back to what the founders had in our founding document. Well voting was restricted to property owners. In keeping with your views there was no electricity, no computer, no Internet, no cars, no airplanes, etc. Now set the example of what you tell us about going back to what the founders wanted us to do. I assume you will stop using all the things that were not here when our founders wrote the document. We will all miss your posts.


Once again, who is looking to restrict voting based on property ownership?


Once again:  "Now set the example of what you tell us about going back to what the founders wanted us to do". 


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Re: The BENEFITS of the Administrative State.

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rk9152 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

 

 

 


Actually, this Conservative wants government shrunk back to Constitutional limits in the interest in individual freedom.

 

On the other hand, as much as you complain about the government and the lobbyists, the Plutocrats, the Oligarchs, etc. you want to put more power into their hands. I(sic) just doesn't make sense.


Can you show Constitutional language that explains the "Constitutional limits" that you speak of?  So is rolling back regulations on or eliminating the EPA and allowing major corporations to pollute our environment and poison us part of "Making America Great Again"?


Amendment X Rights Reserved to States or People. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

Due to their experience with an all powerful government, they attempted to limit the powers of the government so as to maximize the freedom of the people.


A state can do nothing that is against any of the provisions of any federal laws, statutes or regulations, or provisions within the Constitution. The Constitution itself creates a strong central government.

 

Nothing in what you posted shows the Constitutional limits you were asked to show.

 

So is rolling back regulations on or eliminating the EPA and allowing major corporations to pollute our environment and poison us part of "Making America Great Again"?


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Re: The BENEFITS of the Administrative State.

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A modern society requires a Government that ADMINISTERS the essential functions of Government and not one as Republicans desire that contracts out all those administrative duties, such as insurning the citizens are not systematically posioned because the anticipated law suits from the victims families are cheaper than running a sanitary food processing facility.

 

The notion that a Government Bureauracy whose employees are held accountable for their service to the people they serve is less efficient than the Corporate Bureauracy that is held accountable only for the amount of profit it generates for their superiors is absurd, but its also GOPer Dogma, never to be questioned.

 

As noted previously, the ONLY source of basic research in the current business environemnt is GOVERNMENT, because the Corporations are slave to the next quarter's earnings report and looking past that 90 day(max) horizon is counterproductive for the people involved.

 

We may have had a good run at being the World's best innovator, but Red China has produced a "vending machine" for dispensing electric cars and can 3-D print entire buildings for half the cost of standard construction.  The Republicans who ranted only yesterday about WHO LOST CHINA? are the ones that wrote the laws that shipped not only our production facilities but the technology behind the products to the Commies, saving the Reds zillions on R&D that was paid for with OUR tax dollars.

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Re: The BENEFITS of the Administrative State.

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What is the "Administrative State"?

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Re: The BENEFITS of the Administrative State.

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In an interview on PBS, Corporate CEO's explained they would use their tax-cut money to buy back outstanding stock instead of investing in increased production or Research and Development BECAUSE THEY WERE UNSURE OF THE GOVERNMENT AS A CUSTOMER.

 

Seems all those things that were invented/discovered under Government Contract are not happening anymore because Republicans have gutted the agencies and budgets that promoted research.

 

No company is looking into the latest "accelerometer" to see if it can become the next Wii video games because Government didn't fund the BASIC RESEARCH that made the accelerometer possible in the first place.

 

What GOPers cannot understand is ONLY the Government can afford to do the kind of research that creates new industries because only the Government has the resources and no profit requirement. In addition, ONLY the Government can pull the economy out of disasters like the Great jrbush Recession because only the Government has the resources and no profit requirement.

 

The "recovery" from the last Republican-induced World Economic disaster has only gone to the 1% because their income and wealth do not depend on being able to actually produce something - they can do it by manipulating stocks and imaginary stocks (aka "derivatives"), trading masterpieces of art and artificially increasing stok prices by selling off or merging parts of the companies they run. NONE of that "wealth creation" involves creating jobs or increasing demand (consumption) that would benefit the 99%.

 

The ONLY economic disaster bigger than the one jrbush created with his tax cutting and deregulation was The Grreat Depression and it took WWII, with GOVERNMENT employing 16 Million mena nad women in Uniform, 4 Million in government Defense Plants and everyone else in the Nation with GOVERNMENT contracts to build tanks, planes, ships, guns, ammunition, tires, gasoline, C-rations, canned Ravioli (its how Chef Boyardee got started), shoes, sox, pants, shirts, coats, gloves, ad infinitum. No Private Enterprise fielded a single squad or donated a single plane, let alone 170 Divisions and 120 Carrier Battle Groups.

 

The "Recovery" has only gone to the Uberrich because Republicans made it so. The economic situation of the 99% will only improve when GOPers no longer control our Government.

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Re: The BENEFITS of the Administrative State.

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Possibly we have a problem of definition here. When people applaud the Administrative State - what do you mean by that term?

 

My point in this and the other similar topic is that by it's nature a bureaucracy is less responsive and less efficient. Others seem to be going beyond that and getting into "wealth redistribution" and drug laws.

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Re: The BENEFITS of the Administrative State.

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MIseker wrote:

Yup..original intent constitutionalists.Calling it a living document lets those minorities and immigrants have too many rights. Same with the working class and poor.

 

 where did you findthat strange intepretation?


 

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Re: The BENEFITS of the Administrative State.

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MIseker wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

 

 

 


Actually, this Conservative wants government shrunk back to Constitutional limits in the interest in individual freedom.

 

On the other hand, as much as you complain about the government and the lobbyists, the Plutocrats, the Oligarchs, etc. you want to put more power into their hands. I(sic) just doesn't make sense.


Can you show Constitutional language that explains the "Constitutional limits" that you speak of?  So is rolling back regulations on or eliminating the EPA and allowing major corporations to pollute our environment and poison us part of "Making America Great Again"?


Amendment X Rights Reserved to States or People. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

Due to their experience with an all powerful government, they attempted to limit the powers of the government so as to maximize the freedom of the people.


so why does that states right hero ( when it comes to discrimination) getting ready to put people in his private prison for something relatively harmless thestates voted for?you support him..you support sttes rights..explain.


so if a person breaks the law as it exists the job of government is to exact penalties. contracting with a private prison is no different from contracting with a private road builder.i support the law as written

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Re: The BENEFITS of the Administrative State.

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MIseker wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Olderscout66 wrote:

The Republicans want to shrink Government so it cannot interfere with their Oligarchs, claiming bureaucracies are inherently wasteful and and impede progress.

 

That Mantra is total BS. Here's a PARTIAL list of inventions and innovations that were created as a direct result of Government Research.

1. The computer MOUSE. Originally a roller ball device used to train targeting radar on enemy aircraft

2. The Wii. Originally an accelerometer used to control guided missiles

3. The Microchip. Invented to solve the problem of making high speed calculations needed to control guided missiles

4. GPS. Originally built for precision guided missiles and bombs, which is why in the beginning, the civilian GPS devices had a "built in" error of about 100 feet in vertical and horizontal position.

5. The Internet. Originally ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects Agency NETwork). If Al Gore as VP had not cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate, Republicans would have killed the ARPANET program to finance more tax cuts for the Uberrich. ARPANET was int3nded to provide a fail-safe communications network in the event of Nuclear War.

6. Aerodynamic Trucks. Army was looking for ways to reduce their ffuel bill.

7. Bar Codes, Originally a program to improve the Army's inventory control process.

oh yeah, when Bell Labs invented the Transistor, they were working on a Government research program to come up with an electronic device that could survive being fired from a cannon - which is how we got the proximity fuse for anti-aircraft ordinance. Teflon was part of the same program - turns out its transparent to radar waves, making it the ideal "nosecone" for those proximity fuse projectiles and the radar "domes" on aircraft. So it's not JUST "Tang" that came out of Government research.

 

When each of these was invented, there was NO COMMERCIAL MARKET, so no PRIVATE firm would've spent a dime on them, and that's the problem with reducing Government funding for Research and Development.

 

Government, especially the Military, MUST focus their attention on the World 20 YEARS into the future because that's how long it takes to move ideas like the 7 noted above from idea to reality. No private firm looks beyond next quarter's Earnings Statement.

 

Republican budget slashing is why we trail so many countries in number of new patents and other commercial innovations, areas we were undisputed World Leader before Reagan taught GOPers to hate Government.

 

Long past time to get rid of elected GOPers and regain our leadership position in invention and innovation - no more being slave to the next earnings report.

 

 


Actually, this Conservative wants government shrunk back to Constitutional limits in the interest in individual freedom.

 

On the other hand, as much as you complain about the government and the lobbyists, the Plutocrats, the Oligarchs, etc. you want to put more power into their hands. I just doesn't make sense.


yeah, like deregulating big pharm to the point the govt agreed opiates are not addictive and let runaway profit kill 60,000 people A YEAR and have no liability in it. BUT WAIT!!!!!!! Trump has promised to top that!


yeah, like i never said that. i'm waiting - what "topping" do you see coming?

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