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Re: Protest Instead of Taking Final Exam

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NOTHAPPENING wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

I can't help but thinking that if this were a Right Wing Professor letting his students protest Hillary, Democrats, or other Left Wing POLs, the Right Wing here would be avidly supporting it.


I can't help but wondering where or when did something like this ever happen?  Aren't 99% of professors left wing and their responsibility is to indoctrinate their students?


But if that were true wouldn't the vast majority of those who are college educated be liberals, including you?


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Re: Protest Instead of Taking Final Exam

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fangoh45 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

jimc91 wrote:

Panjandrum wrote:

Richva:  We must nip this in the bud else millions of students across the nation will be coerced into protesting Trump who would otherwise be protesting Hillary or Prohibition. 

 

Or birth control, or healthcare, or................... 


Or not having a clue how to get through life by earning a living for themselves...

 

 All in keeping with the neo-Marxist thinking of the Progressives to put more and more people out there unable to take care of themselves. That creates the need of an all powerful central government to see to all their needs and make all their decisions.

 


 


Taking this from a handful of students protesting Trump to "Neo-Marxist thinking of Progressives"   and   "more people out there unable to take care of themselves"  and  "the need of an all powerful central government to see all their needs and make their decisions" is stretching it just a bit, IMHO. Smiley Surprised


Is it a stretch to wish our institutions of higher learning??? teach the academic courses versus having professor(s) whether right or left, indoctrinating their students in their political beliefs? This, a good reason why our educational system is in such a disarray.

Any student, who is absent from a class to protest, should be given progressive discipline up to expulsion! This includes students from the right or left-even though you don't hear about this shenanigans from the right very often.

They should be LEARNING not BURNING!


I assume that many on the right that complain about this would accept it with open arms if the students were protesting a left wing president.


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fangoh45 wrote:


My problem, is letting students attend political charged rallies where vilolence is a clear and present threat. Those events don't tend to teach the students much that is positive. Upon they're return, they can write about a former porn start being cold cocked by a ex-felon, a lady hit in the face with raw eggs, a elderly gentleman being hit with a board and on and on. Keep students away from marches, demostrations that have this potential. Let them go the courthouses and other constructive activities like you describe.



Keep them away from televisions to keep them from seeing a lying dishonest businessman who is unquestionably a confirmed serial adulterer inciting people to commit unlawful violent acts - or continuing to lie well over half the time he speaks...

 

 

 

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Re: Protest Instead of Taking Final Exam

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Fango-ok gotcha! However, remember that these students are technically adults who were given the option to attend or not to attend. It is unfortunate they experienced violence, if indeed they did, but even with that bring said, the lesson wouldn't be the violence, it would be the beliefs of each side, the chasm that separates tbe two,  the issues that separate them, and discussion of what could be done to lesson the divide.

No faculity member in my experience would allow the things you mentioned to become more than a comment or two on the unfortuante spilling over of emotion. 

 

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Re: Protest Instead of Taking Final Exam

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pc6063 wrote:

fango--And why would you think that an event such as this would do nothing but teach students about a myriad of things?  If you read any of my earlier posts, you know that there is much preparation that goes into a 'field trip" and that hands on education far surpasses what can be absorbed from reading or just discussing things in class. This is not my opinion, it is a fact that has been known to educators for ever.  You will have also read that after students return, the lesson continues.

College aged students are adults who have the right to vote, and ;therefore, participation in such an event is an incredibly advantageous to learning and to their future political beliefs.

My students went on field trips often.  Twice in one they were taken to our county courthouse.  Once to speak to a judge about drug use and the "future" of those arrested of such crimes and another to sit in on an ongoing trial in which drug dealing was involved.

This was done in conjunction with a political science segment that the history teacher was presenting.  It became a team activity, when i, as the English teacher became responsible for the follow up.  Essays, debates, a test, and a survey.  Did the kids learn? You bet.  Grown up stuff?  absolutely--their ages? On average 16--parental approval needed.

With regard to conservative events, neither of us know if that took place, do we? But, a good prof would see to it that not only did students speak with both sides during the tax march, but that they participated in a more conservative venue at another time, which, by the way, probably had already taken place, since this was a final exercise.  (Not everything a professor does is publicized--this is known because someone politicized it.  I can guarantee you, it wasn't a liberal, would you agree?

 

 


Your examples are valid and I have no issue with those. What you cite are examples of student learning about civil happenings in our government, etc. and time well spent. My problem, is letting students attend political charged rallies where vilolence is a clear and present threat. Those events don't tend to teach the students much that is positive. Upon they're return, they can write about a former porn start being cold cocked by a ex-felon, a lady hit in the face with raw eggs, a elderly gentleman being hit with a board and on and on. Keep students away from marches, demostrations that have this potential. Let them go the courthouses and other constructive activities like you describe.

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Re: Protest Instead of Taking Final Exam

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kidboy--And where is the proof of your claim that prof is a Trump hater?  Easy to say things, how about backing them up with accredited support.

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Re: Protest Instead of Taking Final Exam

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Bottom line...Blackmail by a Trump hating professor. Typical of our Colleges today. Not the it was or should be. Not the way it was when I was in College.

Its amazing that anyone would think what happened is Ok...but it does show how our country has lost its moral compass.

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rebellious teenager without a moral compass....not just teenagers


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fango--And why would you think that an event such as this would do nothing but teach students about a myriad of things?  If you read any of my earlier posts, you know that there is much preparation that goes into a 'field trip" and that hands on education far surpasses what can be absorbed from reading or just discussing things in class. This is not my opinion, it is a fact that has been known to educators for ever.  You will have also read that after students return, the lesson continues.

College aged students are adults who have the right to vote, and ;therefore, participation in such an event is an incredibly advantageous to learning and to their future political beliefs.

My students went on field trips often.  Twice in one they were taken to our county courthouse.  Once to speak to a judge about drug use and the "future" of those arrested of such crimes and another to sit in on an ongoing trial in which drug dealing was involved.

This was done in conjunction with a political science segment that the history teacher was presenting.  It became a team activity, when i, as the English teacher became responsible for the follow up.  Essays, debates, a test, and a survey.  Did the kids learn? You bet.  Grown up stuff?  absolutely--their ages? On average 16--parental approval needed.

With regard to conservative events, neither of us know if that took place, do we? But, a good prof would see to it that not only did students speak with both sides during the tax march, but that they participated in a more conservative venue at another time, which, by the way, probably had already taken place, since this was a final exercise.  (Not everything a professor does is publicized--this is known because someone politicized it.  I can guarantee you, it wasn't a liberal, would you agree?

 

 

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Re: Protest Instead of Taking Final Exam

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pc6063 wrote:

fango--As I posted earlier, it is incredulous to think that these students did not interact with people from both sides of the aisle, thus giving them an in depth understanding of the mind sets of people from different parties.  Do you think the prof. put them in a little cage and told them not to talk to anyone but Dems??  The thought that these kids didn't get a very real taste for the beliefs of both Trump and anti-Trump supporters is absurd.

It is when we don't allow our students to interact with those of varying ideals, that we neglect their education, not the opposite.


I have no problem whatsoever with students interacting. There are 24 hours in a day. They have approx. 8 hours to attend school (Only for around six months). The time in school is for LEARNING. Certainly, there should be some interaction within the classroom and even the school, however not leaving the classroom and school to attend or participate in heated, and even violent political events. No way!!

How many hours, days were we given to attend events like this. Our interactions were on field trips where we went to musuems, zoos and other items of interest and learning. How many times do we hear of students being let out to go to conservative events? Not many. One being toooo much.

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fango--As I posted earlier, it is incredulous to think that these students did not interact with people from both sides of the aisle, thus giving them an in depth understanding of the mind sets of people from different parties.  Do you think the prof. put them in a little cage and told them not to talk to anyone but Dems??  The thought that these kids didn't get a very real taste for the beliefs of both Trump and anti-Trump supporters is absurd.

It is when we don't allow our students to interact with those of varying ideals, that we neglect their education, not the opposite.

Gee, I miss having a real President!!