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Re: North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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rker321 wrote:


No wonder Trump became President, just take a look at the mentality of the people in this messaga board.


Remember that you are one "of the people in the message board".  So am I. I didn't support or vote for Trump, how about you?


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Re: North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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Trump was handed a relatively stable situation in N. Korea and then proceeded to Twitter his way into N. Korea developing ICBMs and miniaturizing warheads. The rate of test firings increased significantly under Trump.  Why? because he writes checks with his mouth that his competence can't cash. 

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Re: North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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That is exactly a military decision as in Viet Nam when Westmoreland told LBJ the war was almost won and then the Tet Offensive by the North changed everything.   And a Marine corps General who advised Kennedy about Viet Nam with a lot of false info. after he visited the country.  And ;now the same Generals who were in Afghanistan running that war are sitting next to Trump advising him.

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Re: North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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I do have to thank both of you, for not briging religion into the subject matter.

One more preacher in this message board and I will SCREAM

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Re: North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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rk9152 wrote:

The rest is the usual hate filled rhetoric of the "only us, everyone else is evil" groupthink.

@rk9152,

 

Your sentence is quite confusing.

 

So you think of the KKK, WHITE SUPREMACISTS, WHITE NATIONALIST AND THE NAZIS as NOT EVIL?

 

Or do you think groups that protest against the philosophy of the KKK, WHITE SUPREMACISTS, WHITE NATIONALISTS, AND THE NAZIS as JUST AS EVIL.

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Re: North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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The ultimate of all irrationalities.  Now we have a nut for an evangelist preacher that is saying that Trump is ok  by bombing NK  because I guess "his God" is supporting him?

That is all we need now,. all the bible thumpers ralling around their preachers and actually calling for Trump to drop and atomig bomb

I have always known that the minute that religion turns around and meddles the world can probably come to an end. 
Well maybe is not such a bad idea if we are going to get rid of all the nuts.

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Re: North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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Yes, but you forgot Russia sending supplies from their border.  Why?  You also forgot the DMZ where we have troops stationed.  Suppose we pull them back and let SK defend itself.  Wouldn't it be the same in Viet Nam if we stood there with a North and South.  Korea,  Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan are all failed policies with a lot to blame on the Trump admin.  who are made up of Generals who are the cause of those failed policies.


I agree with your comments about our failed efforts of the past. In fact I had previously posted about the danger in not going in to win but going in to not lose.

 

That is not a military decision, it is a political one so we cannot blame the Generals.

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Re: North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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Richva wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Actually, she is right. The rest is the usual hate filled rhetoric of the "only us, everyone else is evil" groupthink.


Well, I, for one, am very glad to see the White Lives Matter coalition out there defending the principles for which they stand.  I especially liked the car bit, Nice touch. 


You totally overlooked the context of the post to which that was a response. What is the term the left loves...... oh yeah, "intellectual dishonesty".

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Re: North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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jimc91 wrote:

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The incompetence, gullibility and lassitude of three successive administrations have dumped the horrible problem of North Korea into the lap of President Donald Trump. The shilly-shallying and pretend-resolutions that marked the old way of dealing with Pyongyang have come to a dead end.

The crisis exposes the infirmity of the Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama administrations in their North Korea policies.

 

But it goes back even earlier. It is now clear that, while his insubordination was unacceptable, General Douglas MacArthur was correct in advocating disposing of North Korea when we could have done so. The resulting loss of life would likely have been less than was caused by continuing to skirmish on the 38th Parallel for the next three years.

 

We would, at the same time, have chastened the People’s Republic of China, which subsequently whetted its appetite with the fiasco of the French in North Vietnam. We might have normalized contact with China, and triangulated the Great Powers relationship, ten years earlier than we did.

 

MacArthur foresaw what a pestilential nuisance the Kimist lunatic asylum in North Korea would become, and there were many astute foreign policy analysts, including then Sen. Richard Nixon and soon-to-be Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, who agreed with him.

 

We now learn that the North Koreans have reduced the size of a nuclear warhead to the point at which it can be placed on an intercontinental ballistic missile, which the North Koreans are regularly test-firing. The last step that remains before that mad regime is able to threaten the United States itself is to develop the capacity to reintroduce the missile into the earth's atmosphere without burning it up.

 

This is scientifically less challenging than much of the progress the North Koreans have made already.

Finally, it is time for the United States to put up or shut up. The Chinese have been equally pusillanimous, though their policy has been informed by cynicism rather than cowardice or naïveté — as they have amused themselves by feeding the mad North Korean state as it tormented the West and baited South Korea.

 

China was so pleased to have semi-plausible deniability of responsibility for the deranged Kim regime, and to ensure that the Koreas did not unite and become another powerhouse on its borders like Japan, that it allowed Kim's nuclear toymaking to come almost to term.

 

The United States made a significant but very late forward step with the unanimous United Nations Security Council support of sanctions. It is a beginning, but the step has to quicken rapidly to real deterrence, not endurable and merely inconvenient punishment. (The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, has been a star in that moribund and corrupt forum and has transformed her position into a podium of some importance and utility.)

 

But more is needed. China must approve a radically escalated American-led quarantine of North Korea, including mining its harbors and blockading it by sea and air against anything but humanitarian assistance or legitimate civilian air travel — other than on the short and remote border of North Korea and Russia. Intense cyberwar should also be conducted, if it isn't already.

 

If China does not use its influence to cool down the Kim regime, the United States should ramp up the pressure. It should make it clear through direct diplomatic contact that it will take draconian measures to eliminate the gluttonous Chinese trade surplus with the U.S., relax its opposition to the reunification of Korea, encourage and arm Taiwan's desire to be a permanently independent country, not renew the visas of the more than 300,000 Chinese students at American universities, and arm Japan and South Korea to the teeth.

 

If China does not cooperate, and Kim does not suspend his nuclear program — encouraged by face-saving and compensating American and allied guaranties that there will be no attempt to reunify the Korean Peninsula or overthrow the Kimist regime — a full conventional military preemptive strike will have to be made on all the nuclear-relevant and other offensive military sites.

 

This would include launchers, stockpiles, research centers and all the conventional military sites that can threaten South Korea or Japan, including all military airfields and the much-publicized and very dangerous massed artillery within range of the immense city of Seoul, and of the U.S Army units deployed in South Korea.

 

READ MORE:  http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/north-korean-crisis-a-product-of-failed-pre-trump-leadership/

 

 

 


Yes, but you forgot Russia sending supplies from their border.  Why?  You also forgot the DMZ where we have troops stationed.  Suppose we pull them back and let SK defend itself.  Wouldn't it be the same in Viet Nam if we stood there with a North and South.  Korea,  Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan are all failed policies with a lot to blame on the Trump admin.  who are made up of Generals who are the cause of those failed policies.

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Re: North Korean Crisis a Product of Failed Pre-Trump Leadership

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rk9152 wrote:

Actually, she is right. The rest is the usual hate filled rhetoric of the "only us, everyone else is evil" groupthink.


Well, I, for one, am very glad to see the White Lives Matter coalition out there defending the principles for which they stand.  I especially liked the car bit, Nice touch. 

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