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Re: Neo-Nazis celebrate Trump

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CriticalThinking wrote:

You can't separate Trump from his supporters who literally idolize their cult leader. None of the following bothers them at all, I suspect they actually love it.

 

  • Trump hired at least 3 White Nationalists to work in the White House
  • Trump is a pathological liar
  • Trump insults people, countries, and organizations every day of the week
  • Trump can completely change his position on an issue within 24-48 hours.

We have one Trump supporter in this forum, who in every thread about Nazis and KKK members, spends his time defending them.

 

 


Just one correction - Trump can completely change his position on an issue multiple times in the same sentence he doesn't need a whole hour.

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Re: Neo-Nazis celebrate Trump

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rk9152 wrote:

john258 wrote:


Lets go by the numbers.

1. Just watch him speak, and read his tweets, and actions. He is a Jim Crow person.

A bit of specificity would be useful.

2. He cancelled the Dreamers program, and said in his campaign he would kick them out. If he had compassion he would have left the current program in place until Congress sent him a new one.

Yes, "the program". Now the challenge is to deal with the people.

3. As he has said in his campaign. It would be a big beautiful wall from sea to shinning sea, and Mexico would pay for it. What you post is not true.

Yes, he is for and I support border security - in toto.

4. Yes he does insult everyone who disagrees with him. Glad you noticed that as it proves he has a mental problem. We have the first President with a mental problem per you.

We have a President who when attacked, response appropriately. Your "expert analysis" is nonsense.

5. He does not praise them as he is one of them. Look at Hitler when he came to power. They both do the same things that is how we can predict what will come next with him.

Ineffective dodge to the claim, "He praises Nazis".

6. Watch the KKK TV program that was on CNN some months ago. Look at the people who attend his rallies. Listen to what his supporters say in the paper and on TV. The KK officially endorsed him.

How does that deal with - Who are these "KKK fans" that are AG?

7. You think white supremacists are good people. That is a highly offensive statement that really deserves some sort of proof. He told us that about the people holding the torches in VA. The next day one killed and injured people. 

No, he didn't - and -  he had nothing to do with the car driver.

 

8. Not true per the courts.

What courts said Obama was wrong about certain nations needing additional scrutiny?

9. What agenda did you support as he had a different one for every rally. He gave the audience what they wanted to hear and never had any intention of doing any of it. In other words he knew his people were uneducated so they would really think what he told them was what he would do. Now a lot of them have to face the truth. He lied.

It was and is basically the same agenda - without any racism involved. I do not believe he told the audiences what they wanted to hear. He spoke his beliefs (as does any pol) and his audiences applauded. But - how does supporting his agenda make me a racist? Again, you seem think that you can be highly offensive and not need to support your offensiveness.


 


Well you see by the non or untruthful answers he proves everything I said correct. The far right in action. In 10 months we will all have the chance to throw out of office everyone with an R behind their name. That is the best way to deal with the far right. Actions speak louder than words.

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Re: Neo-Nazis celebrate Trump

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ChasKy53 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

 


I have never said that thinking that Trump is doing the job he was hired to do makes one a "racist". So I guess you are asking the wrong person or are just building another straw argument. Or could it just be trolling ..........


See now, that's what happens when one person claims to speak for another and a third is trying to figure out what either one means.

 

Let's simplify - do you (chas) think that supporting President Trump makes one a racist?


I think that when a trump supporter tries to minimize, deny, or 'cover-up' any of trump's racist comments they are either racist themselves or support the racism of trump and others. 

 

Do you think that a non-racist should support, minimize, or try to 'cover-up' any racist comments made by trump?


Well, we are half way to agreement. I believe that if one approves of racist statements, they are probably racists.

 

However, I do not believe that President Trump has made racist statements. That claim is on a par with he is Nazi, fascist, alt-right, etc.

 

Back to the basics - I preferred President Trump's agenda during the campaign and approve of his efforts to carry it out. Does that make me a racist, Nazi, alt-right, etc.?

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Re: Neo-Nazis celebrate Trump

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rk9152 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

 


I have never said that thinking that Trump is doing the job he was hired to do makes one a "racist". So I guess you are asking the wrong person or are just building another straw argument. Or could it just be trolling ..........


See now, that's what happens when one person claims to speak for another and a third is trying to figure out what either one means.

 

Let's simplify - do you (chas) think that supporting President Trump makes one a racist?


I think that when a trump supporter tries to minimize, deny, or 'cover-up' any of trump's racist comments they are either racist themselves or support the racism of trump and others. 

 

Do you think that a non-racist should support, minimize, or try to 'cover-up' any racist comments made by trump?


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Re: Neo-Nazis celebrate Trump

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ChasKy53 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

phyllisc6781 wrote:

Closet racists—David Duke doesn’t think he’s a racist—he just thinks his ideas are how the things should be,

 

Of course, Duke, trump, and those who say trump did nothing wrong, are clearly racists. 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


I think that the President's words about certain nations are totally accurate. As has been pointed out, their citizens are desperate to get out.

 

So, since I agree with that - does that make me a racist?

 

If not, what are you talking about?


The example you just gave would not "make" anyone a racist. The way people look at things doesn't "make" them a racist. Being a racist "makes" people look at things a certain way. Does this answer your question?


O.K. - since you have chosen to speak for pc, if not that, what does make all those people he/sh/it sees as racists, racists? For example, how does thinking that Trump is doing the job he was hired to do make one a "racist"?


I have never said that thinking that Trump is doing the job he was hired to do makes one a "racist". So I guess you are asking the wrong person or are just building another straw argument. Or could it just be trolling ..........


See now, that's what happens when one person claims to speak for another and a third is trying to figure out what either one means.

 

Let's simplify - do you (chas) think that supporting President Trump makes one a racist?

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Re: Neo-Nazis celebrate Trump

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Message 56 of 93

john258 wrote:


Lets go by the numbers.

1. Just watch him speak, and read his tweets, and actions. He is a Jim Crow person.

A bit of specificity would be useful.

2. He cancelled the Dreamers program, and said in his campaign he would kick them out. If he had compassion he would have left the current program in place until Congress sent him a new one.

Yes, "the program". Now the challenge is to deal with the people.

3. As he has said in his campaign. It would be a big beautiful wall from sea to shinning sea, and Mexico would pay for it. What you post is not true.

Yes, he is for and I support border security - in toto.

4. Yes he does insult everyone who disagrees with him. Glad you noticed that as it proves he has a mental problem. We have the first President with a mental problem per you.

We have a President who when attacked, response appropriately. Your "expert analysis" is nonsense.

5. He does not praise them as he is one of them. Look at Hitler when he came to power. They both do the same things that is how we can predict what will come next with him.

Ineffective dodge to the claim, "He praises Nazis".

6. Watch the KKK TV program that was on CNN some months ago. Look at the people who attend his rallies. Listen to what his supporters say in the paper and on TV. The KK officially endorsed him.

How does that deal with - Who are these "KKK fans" that are AG?

7. You think white supremacists are good people. That is a highly offensive statement that really deserves some sort of proof. He told us that about the people holding the torches in VA. The next day one killed and injured people. 

No, he didn't - and -  he had nothing to do with the car driver.

 

8. Not true per the courts.

What courts said Obama was wrong about certain nations needing additional scrutiny?

9. What agenda did you support as he had a different one for every rally. He gave the audience what they wanted to hear and never had any intention of doing any of it. In other words he knew his people were uneducated so they would really think what he told them was what he would do. Now a lot of them have to face the truth. He lied.

It was and is basically the same agenda - without any racism involved. I do not believe he told the audiences what they wanted to hear. He spoke his beliefs (as does any pol) and his audiences applauded. But - how does supporting his agenda make me a racist? Again, you seem think that you can be highly offensive and not need to support your offensiveness.


 

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Re: Neo-Nazis celebrate Trump

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rk9152 wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

phyllisc6781 wrote:

Closet racists—David Duke doesn’t think he’s a racist—he just thinks his ideas are how the things should be,

 

Of course, Duke, trump, and those who say trump did nothing wrong, are clearly racists. 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


I think that the President's words about certain nations are totally accurate. As has been pointed out, their citizens are desperate to get out.

 

So, since I agree with that - does that make me a racist?

 

If not, what are you talking about?


The example you just gave would not "make" anyone a racist. The way people look at things doesn't "make" them a racist. Being a racist "makes" people look at things a certain way. Does this answer your question?


O.K. - since you have chosen to speak for pc, if not that, what does make all those people he/sh/it sees as racists, racists? For example, how does thinking that Trump is doing the job he was hired to do make one a "racist"?


I have never said that thinking that Trump is doing the job he was hired to do makes one a "racist". So I guess you are asking the wrong person or are just building another straw argument. Or could it just be trolling ..........


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rk9152 wrote:

Olderscout66 wrote:

O.K. -For example, how does thinking that Trump is doing the job he was hired to do make one a "racist"?

 

Simple. Trump campaigned on a program of restarting Jim Crow at the National level - deport Dreamers, build the worthless wall, insult non-whites, praise Nazis, appoint KKK fans as AG, tell the World he thinks White Supremacists are good people, deny immigration to nonwhites, encourage immigration for very whites (can't get more white than Norwegeans). If you support Der Trumper, you support racism, which is what being a racist is all about.


1) Show me his Jim Crow agenda item;

2) He actually showed compassion for those here illegally that some prefer to "clean up" to "Dreamers";

3) The wall refers to secure borders. Do you oppose secure borders;

4) He insults anyone who insults him. As such he is non-racist - he'll insult anyone;

5) He has never praised Nazis. I am tempted to call that a "lie" but prudence dictates that I just say, "You are in error";

6) Who are these "KKK fans" that are AG;

7) "White  Supremacists are good people" - again "You are in error";

8) Denied immigration temporarily to people from nations that Obama said needed additional scrutiny;

9) I support the agenda that our President ran on. If you think that makes me a "racist" - again, "you are in error".

 

See how things get all screwed up when you stray away from the stand-by of the Reagan Tax Scam - or maybe the Fascist Five - or maybe calling someone a commie is actionable but Nazi, Kluxer, Fascist, etc - is "just fine"? Have you been able to come up with a rationale for that last one yet?

 


Lets go by the numbers.

1. Just watch him speak, and read his tweets, and actions. He is a Jim Crow person.

2. He cancelled the Dreamers program, and said in his campaign he would kick them out. If he had compassion he would have left the current program in place until Congress sent him a new one.

3. As he has said in his campaign. It would be a big beautiful wall from sea to shinning sea, and Mexico would pay for it. What you post is not true.

4. Yes he does insult everyone who disagrees with him. Glad you noticed that as it proves he has a mental problem. We have the first President with a mental problem per you.

5. He does not praise them as he is one of them. Look at Hitler when he came to power. They both do the same things that is how we can predict what will come next with him.

6. Watch the KKK TV program that was on CNN some months ago. Look at the people who attend his rallies. Listen to what his supporters say in the paper and on TV. The KK officially endorsed him.

7. You think white supremacists are good people. He told us that about the people holding the torches in VA. The next day one killed and injured people. 

8. Not true per the courts.

9. What agenda did you support as he had a different one for every rally. He gave the audience what they wanted to hear and never had any intention of doing any of it. In other words he knew his people were uneducated so they would really think what he told them was what he would do. Now a lot of them have to face the truth. He lied.

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Re: Neo-Nazis celebrate Trump

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Olderscout66 wrote:

O.K. -For example, how does thinking that Trump is doing the job he was hired to do make one a "racist"?

 

Simple. Trump campaigned on a program of restarting Jim Crow at the National level - deport Dreamers, build the worthless wall, insult non-whites, praise Nazis, appoint KKK fans as AG, tell the World he thinks White Supremacists are good people, deny immigration to nonwhites, encourage immigration for very whites (can't get more white than Norwegeans). If you support Der Trumper, you support racism, which is what being a racist is all about.


1) Show me his Jim Crow agenda item;

2) He actually showed compassion for those here illegally that some prefer to "clean up" to "Dreamers";

3) The wall refers to secure borders. Do you oppose secure borders;

4) He insults anyone who insults him. As such he is non-racist - he'll insult anyone;

5) He has never praised Nazis. I am tempted to call that a "lie" but prudence dictates that I just say, "You are in error";

6) Who are these "KKK fans" that are AG;

7) "White  Supremacists are good people" - again "You are in error";

8) Denied immigration temporarily to people from nations that Obama said needed additional scrutiny;

9) I support the agenda that our President ran on. If you think that makes me a "racist" - again, "you are in error".

 

See how things get all screwed up when you stray away from the stand-by of the Reagan Tax Scam - or maybe the Fascist Five - or maybe calling someone a commie is actionable but Nazi, Kluxer, Fascist, etc - is "just fine"? Have you been able to come up with a rationale for that last one yet?

 

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Re: Neo-Nazis celebrate Trump

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O.K. -For example, how does thinking that Trump is doing the job he was hired to do make one a "racist"?

 

Simple. Trump campaigned on a program of restarting Jim Crow at the National level - deport Dreamers, build the worthless wall, insult non-whites, praise Nazis, appoint KKK fans as AG, tell the World he thinks White Supremacists are good people, deny immigration to nonwhites, encourage immigration for very whites (can't get more white than Norwegeans). If you support Der Trumper, you support racism, which is what being a racist is all about.

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