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Re: MEALS ON WHEELS RATTLED

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rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

It's pathetic to see some Conservatives complain that less than $2.00 of their Federal taxes each year goes to support the sick, the disabled and the elderly.  It speaks volumes about their character, empathy and being an American.  I bet a few of them actually consider themselves "Christians".


It is pathetic to see some Socialist not be able to understand that the issue isn't $2.00, it is the government entering into areas not dictated by the Constitution.

 

It is equally pathetic to see those that do not understand that being a Christian means helping your fellow man - not expecting government wealth redistribution to do it instead.


So who here do you consider to be a "Socialist"?  And many things fall under the General Welfare Clause, perhaps even the welfare of our senior citizens.  What did you think about the general wealth and income redistribution that Reagan did? It's OK as long as the redistribution goes to the wealthiest? Are the wealthiest acquiring "dependency" on it?


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Re: MEALS ON WHEELS RATTLED

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ChasKy53 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

fangoh45 wrote:

afisher wrote:

afisher wrote:

   Apparently the hater's of Seniors seem to believe as Mulvanely - if you can't see progress, then a program is a failure.    Maybe people should be taking pictures of the corpses as senior are found dead from starvation when this program becomes unfunded by the FED.    What the current idiots in DC are using to would judge "success" "   More seniors die due to starvation, BUT yea success because less money spent on Social Security and Medicare- their metric is $$$$, not people.  

    

    Are these oh-so smart folks going to eliminate education grants for Medical School - because that too has produced only a fixed number of physicians, aka, see no progress.

 

    It is obscene that some here seem to believe that society (charitable giving) in a local area is the solution to a problem - unless of course it negatively affects them.    If a city is too poor so support a MoW program - well then those Seniors deserve to die?   

 

     They use totally bogus charities to support their ignorance.   

 


And the Donald supporters instead run for more Distraction and personal attacks.    So immature.


This from the Heritage foundation. Of course you'll discredit the source, but feel free to offer evidence showing the facts and figures wrong.

 

Six Categories of Waste

The six categories of wasteful and unnecessary spending are:

  1. Programs that should be devolved to state and local governments;
  2. Programs that could be better performed by the private sector;
  3. Mistargeted programs whose recipients should not be entitled to government benefits;
  4. Outdated and unnecessary programs;
  5. Duplicative programs; and
  6. Inefficiency, mismanagement, and fraud.

The first four categories are generally subjective, and reasonable people can disagree on whether a given federal program falls under their purview. Yet the final two categories -- duplication and inefficiency, mismanagement, and fraud -- are comparatively easy to identify and oppose. Thus, they are heavily represented in the examples of government waste below:

  1. The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.[1]
  2. Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.[2]
  3. Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.[3]
  4. Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them -- costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually -- fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.[4]
  5. The Congressional Budget Office published a "Budget Options" series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts.[5]
  6. Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72safe water programs.[6]
  7. Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job.[7]
  8. A GAO audit classified nearly half of all purchases on government credit cards as improper, fraudulent, or embezzled. Examples of taxpayer-funded purchases include gambling, mortgage payments, liquor, lingerie, iPods, Xboxes, jewelry, Internet dating services, and Hawaiian vacations. In one extraordinary example, the Postal Service spent $13,500 on one dinner at a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, including "over 200 appetizers and over $3,000 of alcohol, including more than 40 bottles of wine costing more than $50 each and brand-name liquor such as Courvoisier, Belvedere and Johnny Walker Gold." The 81 guests consumed an average of $167 worth of food and drink apiece.[8]
  9. Federal agencies are delinquent on nearly 20 percent of employee travel charge cards, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.[9]
  10. The Securities and Exchange Commission spent $3.9 million rearranging desks and offices at its Washington, D.C., headquarters.[10]
  11. The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida.[11]
  12. Over half of all farm subsidies go to commercial farms, which report average household incomes of $200,000.[12]
  13. Health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $60 billionannually.[13]
  14. A GAO audit found that 95 Pentagon weapons systems suffered from a combined $295 billion in cost overruns.[14]
  15. The refusal of many federal employees to fly coach costs taxpayers $146 million annually in flight upgrades.[15]
  16. Washington will spend $126 million in 2009 to enhance the Kennedy family legacy in Massachusetts. Additionally, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) diverted $20 million from the 2010 defense budget to subsidize a new Edward M. Kennedy Institute.[16]
  17. Federal investigators have launched more than 20 criminal fraud investigations related to the TARP financial bailout.[17]
  18. Despite trillion-dollar deficits, last year's 10,160 earmarks included $200,000 for a tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, California; $190,000 for the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming; and $75,000 for the Totally Teen Zone in Albany, Georgia.[18]
  19. The federal government owns more than 50,000 vacant homes.[19]
  20. The Federal Communications Commission spent $350,000 to sponsor NASCAR driver David Gilliland.[20]
  21. Members of Congress have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars supplying their offices with popcorn machines, plasma televisions, DVD equipment, ionic air fresheners, camcorders, and signature machines -- plus $24,730 leasing a Lexus, $1,434 on a digital camera, and $84,000 on personalized calendars.[21]
  22. More than $13 billion in Iraq aid has been classified as wasted or stolen. Another $7.8 billion cannot be accounted for.[22]
  23. Fraud related to Hurricane Katrina spending is estimated to top $2 billion. In addition, debit cards provided to hurricane victims were used to pay for Caribbean vacations, NFL tickets, Dom Perignon champagne, "Girls Gone Wild" videos, and at least one sex change operation.[23]
  24. Auditors discovered that 900,000 of the 2.5 million recipients of emergency Katrina assistance provided false names, addresses, or Social Security numbers or submitted multiple applications.[24]
  25. Congress recently gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 to paint a Chinook salmon on a Boeing 737.[25]
  26. The Transportation Department will subsidize up to $2,000 per flight for direct flights between Washington, D.C., and the small hometown of Congressman Hal Rogers (R-KY) -- but only on Monday mornings and Friday evenings, when lawmakers, staff, and lobbyists usually fly. Rogers is a member of the Appropriations Committee, which writes the Transportation Department's budget.[26]
  27. Washington has spent $3 billion re-sanding beaches -- even as this new sand washes back into the ocean.[27]
  28. A Department of Agriculture report concedes that much of the $2.5 billion in "stimulus" funding for broadband Internet will be wasted.[28]
  29. The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were refundable.[29]
  30. Washington spends $60,000 per hour shooting Air Force One photo-ops in front of national landmarks.[30]
  31. Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 on admission to entertainment events, $48,250 on gambling, $69,300 on cruises, and $73,950 on exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.[31]
  32. Members of Congress are set to pay themselves $90 million to increase their franked mailings for the 2010 election year.[32]
  33. Congress has ignored efficiency recommendations from the Department of Health and Human Services that would save $9 billion annually.[33]
  34. Taxpayers are funding paintings of high-ranking government officials at a cost of up to $50,000 apiece.[34]
  35. The state of Washington sent $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 households in order to raise state caseload figures and trigger $43 million in additional federal funds.[35]
  36. Suburban families are receiving large farm subsidies for the grass in their backyards -- subsidies that many of these families never requested and do not want. [36]
  37. Congress appropriated $20 million for "commemoration of success" celebrations related to Iraq and Afghanistan.[37]
  38. Homeland Security employee purchases include 63-inch plasma TVs, iPods, and $230 for a beer brewing kit.[38]
  39. Two drafting errors in the 2005 Deficit Reduction Act resulted in a $2 billion taxpayer cost.[39]
  40. North Ridgeville, Ohio, received $800,000 in "stimulus" funds for a project that its mayor described as "a long way from the top priority."[40]
  41. The National Institutes of Health spends $1.3 million per month to rent a lab that it cannot use.[41]
  42. Congress recently spent $2.4 billion on 10 new jets that the Pentagon insists it does not need and will not use.[42]
  43. Lawmakers diverted $13 million from Hurricane Katrina relief spending to build a museum celebrating the Army Corps of Engineers -- the agency partially responsible for the failed levees that flooded New Orleans.[43]
  44. Medicare officials recently mailed $50 million in erroneous refunds to 230,000 Medicare recipients.[44]
  45. Audits showed $34 billion worth of Department of Homeland Security contracts contained significant waste, fraud, and abuse.[45]
  46. Washington recently spent $1.8 million to help build a private golf course in Atlanta, Georgia.[46]
  47. The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses; 40 percent of this funding goes to Fortune 500 companies.[47]
  48. Congressional investigators were able to receive $55,000 in federal student loan funding for a fictional college they created to test the Department of Education.[48]
  49. The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually not to farm their land.[49]
  50. The Commerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans' personal data.[50]

With the GOP holding the majority in BOTH House's of Congress for 19 of the last 23 years, what would you expect, fang? 


You hit it right on the head, Cent. Some on the Right will choose to ignore that however, and will still try to place all of the blame for those things on presidents, and not Republican presidents.


Thanks, Chas.  But rest assured, you are right AGAIN!  Most ALL of those on the right ignore the point and only blame the other party.  Doesn't say much for intelligence, accountability and integrity.


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Re: MEALS ON WHEELS RATTLED

Message 33 of 82 (95 Views)

Centristsin2010 wrote:

fangoh45 wrote:

afisher wrote:

afisher wrote:

   Apparently the hater's of Seniors seem to believe as Mulvanely - if you can't see progress, then a program is a failure.    Maybe people should be taking pictures of the corpses as senior are found dead from starvation when this program becomes unfunded by the FED.    What the current idiots in DC are using to would judge "success" "   More seniors die due to starvation, BUT yea success because less money spent on Social Security and Medicare- their metric is $$$$, not people.  

    

    Are these oh-so smart folks going to eliminate education grants for Medical School - because that too has produced only a fixed number of physicians, aka, see no progress.

 

    It is obscene that some here seem to believe that society (charitable giving) in a local area is the solution to a problem - unless of course it negatively affects them.    If a city is too poor so support a MoW program - well then those Seniors deserve to die?   

 

     They use totally bogus charities to support their ignorance.   

 


And the Donald supporters instead run for more Distraction and personal attacks.    So immature.


This from the Heritage foundation. Of course you'll discredit the source, but feel free to offer evidence showing the facts and figures wrong.

 

Six Categories of Waste

The six categories of wasteful and unnecessary spending are:

  1. Programs that should be devolved to state and local governments;
  2. Programs that could be better performed by the private sector;
  3. Mistargeted programs whose recipients should not be entitled to government benefits;
  4. Outdated and unnecessary programs;
  5. Duplicative programs; and
  6. Inefficiency, mismanagement, and fraud.

The first four categories are generally subjective, and reasonable people can disagree on whether a given federal program falls under their purview. Yet the final two categories -- duplication and inefficiency, mismanagement, and fraud -- are comparatively easy to identify and oppose. Thus, they are heavily represented in the examples of government waste below:

  1. The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.[1]
  2. Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.[2]
  3. Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.[3]
  4. Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them -- costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually -- fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.[4]
  5. The Congressional Budget Office published a "Budget Options" series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts.[5]
  6. Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72safe water programs.[6]
  7. Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job.[7]
  8. A GAO audit classified nearly half of all purchases on government credit cards as improper, fraudulent, or embezzled. Examples of taxpayer-funded purchases include gambling, mortgage payments, liquor, lingerie, iPods, Xboxes, jewelry, Internet dating services, and Hawaiian vacations. In one extraordinary example, the Postal Service spent $13,500 on one dinner at a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, including "over 200 appetizers and over $3,000 of alcohol, including more than 40 bottles of wine costing more than $50 each and brand-name liquor such as Courvoisier, Belvedere and Johnny Walker Gold." The 81 guests consumed an average of $167 worth of food and drink apiece.[8]
  9. Federal agencies are delinquent on nearly 20 percent of employee travel charge cards, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.[9]
  10. The Securities and Exchange Commission spent $3.9 million rearranging desks and offices at its Washington, D.C., headquarters.[10]
  11. The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida.[11]
  12. Over half of all farm subsidies go to commercial farms, which report average household incomes of $200,000.[12]
  13. Health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $60 billionannually.[13]
  14. A GAO audit found that 95 Pentagon weapons systems suffered from a combined $295 billion in cost overruns.[14]
  15. The refusal of many federal employees to fly coach costs taxpayers $146 million annually in flight upgrades.[15]
  16. Washington will spend $126 million in 2009 to enhance the Kennedy family legacy in Massachusetts. Additionally, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) diverted $20 million from the 2010 defense budget to subsidize a new Edward M. Kennedy Institute.[16]
  17. Federal investigators have launched more than 20 criminal fraud investigations related to the TARP financial bailout.[17]
  18. Despite trillion-dollar deficits, last year's 10,160 earmarks included $200,000 for a tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, California; $190,000 for the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming; and $75,000 for the Totally Teen Zone in Albany, Georgia.[18]
  19. The federal government owns more than 50,000 vacant homes.[19]
  20. The Federal Communications Commission spent $350,000 to sponsor NASCAR driver David Gilliland.[20]
  21. Members of Congress have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars supplying their offices with popcorn machines, plasma televisions, DVD equipment, ionic air fresheners, camcorders, and signature machines -- plus $24,730 leasing a Lexus, $1,434 on a digital camera, and $84,000 on personalized calendars.[21]
  22. More than $13 billion in Iraq aid has been classified as wasted or stolen. Another $7.8 billion cannot be accounted for.[22]
  23. Fraud related to Hurricane Katrina spending is estimated to top $2 billion. In addition, debit cards provided to hurricane victims were used to pay for Caribbean vacations, NFL tickets, Dom Perignon champagne, "Girls Gone Wild" videos, and at least one sex change operation.[23]
  24. Auditors discovered that 900,000 of the 2.5 million recipients of emergency Katrina assistance provided false names, addresses, or Social Security numbers or submitted multiple applications.[24]
  25. Congress recently gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 to paint a Chinook salmon on a Boeing 737.[25]
  26. The Transportation Department will subsidize up to $2,000 per flight for direct flights between Washington, D.C., and the small hometown of Congressman Hal Rogers (R-KY) -- but only on Monday mornings and Friday evenings, when lawmakers, staff, and lobbyists usually fly. Rogers is a member of the Appropriations Committee, which writes the Transportation Department's budget.[26]
  27. Washington has spent $3 billion re-sanding beaches -- even as this new sand washes back into the ocean.[27]
  28. A Department of Agriculture report concedes that much of the $2.5 billion in "stimulus" funding for broadband Internet will be wasted.[28]
  29. The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were refundable.[29]
  30. Washington spends $60,000 per hour shooting Air Force One photo-ops in front of national landmarks.[30]
  31. Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 on admission to entertainment events, $48,250 on gambling, $69,300 on cruises, and $73,950 on exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.[31]
  32. Members of Congress are set to pay themselves $90 million to increase their franked mailings for the 2010 election year.[32]
  33. Congress has ignored efficiency recommendations from the Department of Health and Human Services that would save $9 billion annually.[33]
  34. Taxpayers are funding paintings of high-ranking government officials at a cost of up to $50,000 apiece.[34]
  35. The state of Washington sent $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 households in order to raise state caseload figures and trigger $43 million in additional federal funds.[35]
  36. Suburban families are receiving large farm subsidies for the grass in their backyards -- subsidies that many of these families never requested and do not want. [36]
  37. Congress appropriated $20 million for "commemoration of success" celebrations related to Iraq and Afghanistan.[37]
  38. Homeland Security employee purchases include 63-inch plasma TVs, iPods, and $230 for a beer brewing kit.[38]
  39. Two drafting errors in the 2005 Deficit Reduction Act resulted in a $2 billion taxpayer cost.[39]
  40. North Ridgeville, Ohio, received $800,000 in "stimulus" funds for a project that its mayor described as "a long way from the top priority."[40]
  41. The National Institutes of Health spends $1.3 million per month to rent a lab that it cannot use.[41]
  42. Congress recently spent $2.4 billion on 10 new jets that the Pentagon insists it does not need and will not use.[42]
  43. Lawmakers diverted $13 million from Hurricane Katrina relief spending to build a museum celebrating the Army Corps of Engineers -- the agency partially responsible for the failed levees that flooded New Orleans.[43]
  44. Medicare officials recently mailed $50 million in erroneous refunds to 230,000 Medicare recipients.[44]
  45. Audits showed $34 billion worth of Department of Homeland Security contracts contained significant waste, fraud, and abuse.[45]
  46. Washington recently spent $1.8 million to help build a private golf course in Atlanta, Georgia.[46]
  47. The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses; 40 percent of this funding goes to Fortune 500 companies.[47]
  48. Congressional investigators were able to receive $55,000 in federal student loan funding for a fictional college they created to test the Department of Education.[48]
  49. The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually not to farm their land.[49]
  50. The Commerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans' personal data.[50]

With the GOP holding the majority in BOTH House's of Congress for 19 of the last 23 years, what would you expect, fang? 


You hit it right on the head, Cent. Some on the Right will choose to ignore that however, and will still try to place all of the blame for those things on presidents, and not Republican presidents.


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rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

It's pathetic to see some Conservatives complain that less than $2.00 of their Federal taxes each year goes to support the sick, the disabled and the elderly.  It speaks volumes about their character, empathy and being an American.  I bet a few of them actually consider themselves "Christians".


It is pathetic to see some Socialist not be able to understand that the issue isn't $2.00, it is the government entering into areas not dictated by the Constitution.

 

I'm shocked you would call another poster a "socialist", rk.  Most might believe that's an ad hominem personal attack..

 

And btw, the US Constitution, I presume you are referring to THAT constitution, states the government is to provide for the defense and general welfare.  That usually is ignored by Conservatives until it suits them.

 

It is equally pathetic to see those that do not understand that being a Christian means helping your fellow man - not expecting government wealth redistribution to do it instead.  Many Christians believe the US is a "Christian nation"; therefore, many believe our values should reflect that belief.  Shoot, they elected a liar for President who has claimed he's given millions to charity.....LMAO!


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Re: MEALS ON WHEELS RATTLED

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KidBoy2 wrote:
mandm84 posted..

OK Kidboy you want to talk about WASTE

=======================================================

No, I wanted to show how inefficient our Federal Government is vs local Government is.

But know that you brought that up..

Remember when Ms Obama could not wait one day to go on AF1 to Hawaii for their 3 week Christmas vacation......she had to go on a separate plane costing taxpayers $$$$$$$.. was that a loving thing..why could she not have waited ONE day?...marriage trouble?

"the few family vacations the Obamas had" yes they had many separate ones...like the one ms Obama and her friends took to Europe...remember that?


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Do you think that DC has a better "handle" on that is going on in Meals on Wheels and how that money is being spent than the locals? If so please explain. That is what this thread is about..its not about Trump's or Obama's trips...but that would make a good thread.

Could you start a topic on the cost of Trump's vacations KidBoy? You started an uncountable amount of topics on the Obama's vacations. You do know that Trump has spent more on vacations for him and his family in the first 50 days of his presidency than the Obamas spent in an entire year, don't you? I agree that the cost of Trump's vacations compared to the costs of the Obamas' vacations would make a good topic, and I hope you post a topic about it.

 


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rk9152 wrote:

nctarheel wrote:

                             TRUMP/BANNON PLAN FOR MEALS ON WHEELS

                                          (Steps must be followed in order)

 

                             (1) STOP FEEDING SENIORS

                             (2) SENIORS DIE

                             (3) PROGRAM NO LONGER NEEDED

                             (4) GLOAT ABOUT BEING RIGHT


I have not seen such a "plan" proposed. Your source is what? - "fake news"?


I give you a KUDOS only for being consistant.


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Centristsin2010 wrote:

It's pathetic to see some Conservatives complain that less than $2.00 of their Federal taxes each year goes to support the sick, the disabled and the elderly.  It speaks volumes about their character, empathy and being an American.  I bet a few of them actually consider themselves "Christians".


It is pathetic to see some Socialist not be able to understand that the issue isn't $2.00, it is the government entering into areas not dictated by the Constitution.

 

It is equally pathetic to see those that do not understand that being a Christian means helping your fellow man - not expecting government wealth redistribution to do it instead.

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rker321 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

It's pathetic to see some Conservatives complain that less than $2.00 of their Federal taxes each year goes to support the sick, the disabled and the elderly.  It speaks volumes about their character, empathy and being an American.  I bet a few of them actually consider themselves "Christians".


I will disagree with you on their motivations. Feel free.  Disagreement is great as it stimulates discussion.  However, I disagree with your suggesting I said anything about their "motivations". IMO, their "motivation" is to support any position Limblah, Hannity, FoxNews and the Conservatives tell them to take.  If a Democrat supports something, be against it.  But thanks for asking. They actually believe that they don't have any responsibility to the citizens that for whatever the reason are not in a position to help themselves. Maybe.  Did you ask "them"?

 

they truly believe that they should stand up (even if they fall while doing it)  and deal with it. 
Their definitition of compassion is not the global definition of compassion.  If you say so.


 


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Centristsin2010 wrote:

It's pathetic to see some Conservatives complain that less than $2.00 of their Federal taxes each year goes to support the sick, the disabled and the elderly.  It speaks volumes about their character, empathy and being an American.  I bet a few of them actually consider themselves "Christians".


I will disagree with you on their motivations. They actually believe that they don't have any responsibility to the citizens that for whatever the reason are not in a position to help themselves.

they truly believe that they should stand up (even if they fall while doing it)  and deal with it. 
Their definitition of compassion is not the global definition of compassion.

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rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

Obviously, using Federal funds for Meals on Wheels, which saves the Federal Government millions of dollars in BOTH Medicare and Medicaid costs makes sense to most with an understanding of business, healthcare and the three programs.
Based on that theory, just imagine how much money the federal government could save if it just controlled all money and took care of all the needs of all the citizens.

 


Yes, imagine.....

 

 



Centristsin2010 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

Obviously, using Federal funds for Meals on Wheels, which saves the Federal Government millions of dollars in BOTH Medicare and Medicaid costs makes sense to most with an understanding of business, healthcare and the three programs.
Based on that theory, just imagine how much money the federal government could save if it just controlled all money and took care of all the needs of all the citizens.

 


Yes, imagine.....

 

 


Does that mean you support the government controlling all money and attending to the needs of all people?



rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

Obviously, using Federal funds for Meals on Wheels, which saves the Federal Government millions of dollars in BOTH Medicare and Medicaid costs makes sense to most with an understanding of business, healthcare and the three programs.
Based on that theory, just imagine how much money the federal government could save if it just controlled all money and took care of all the needs of all the citizens.

 


Yes, imagine.....

 

 



Centristsin2010 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Centristsin2010 wrote:

Obviously, using Federal funds for Meals on Wheels, which saves the Federal Government millions of dollars in BOTH Medicare and Medicaid costs makes sense to most with an understanding of business, healthcare and the three programs.
Based on that theory, just imagine how much money the federal government could save if it just controlled all money and took care of all the needs of all the citizens.

 


Yes, imagine.....

 

 


Does that mean you support the government controlling all money and attending to the needs of all people?


Nope, it gives those who create straw arguments something else to "imagine".


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.