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Valued Social Butterfly
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Registered: ‎02-12-2011

Re: ICE: Rips ‘False Stories’ That ‘Vilify’ Agents

Message 1 of 13 (67 Views)

The title selected by the author portrays this matter as honest servants of the public welfare being personally defamed, slandered and maligned by lies told about them ostensibly for 'doing their job'.  Therein lies a falshood.

 

The public servant has

-applied for the position knowingly...he/she has not been coerced as is the case with mandatory

  military service [The Draft],

-submitted qualifications in support of that application,

-been accepted for employment doing the 'job' specifically defined by the employer,

-been trained by the employer in the performance of his/her 'duties', 

-in the case of ICE sworn an oath in the process of being employed as a 'law enforcement officer',

-enforcement of the 'law' is now his/her job,  

-has done what 'his superiors have told him to do' after having been employed,

-acquiesced to superiors 'in authority' about what is and is not 'legal'',

-i.e. 'done his/her job......

 

So why IS this an issue?  Well....simply put, it is YOU who are the employer and YOU responsible fot the laws being enforced.

 

The individual 'decides' whether or not to 'work for' YOU, knowing ahead of time the specific nature OF that job.  

 

That decision depends on his/her understanding of what is 'legal', whether the law itself is ethical and morally acceptable to him/her, whether or not his/her superiors will 'interpret' the law as its framers intended, whether of not he/she considers their determinations 'lawful', whether or not he/she considers their decisions 'ethical and moral' in consideration of his/her current understanding of 'the law' AND/OR ethics and morals. 

 

There's more, of course.  There always is.  Still, that should be enough for a rational person to see that the individual has made a choice in the matter, supposedly knowing what 'the job' entailed....AS IT WAS REPRESENTED. 

 

i.e. Once he/she has found out what it REALLY is he/she is doing, the next choice BECOMES does he/she want to continue doing it.  OR,as a matter of personal responsibility does he/she refuse to comply with the orders of a superior whose actions may well be unethical, immoral and/or illegal.  

 

It's a matter of personal choice, don't you see?  It always was. Are there consequences?  You bet your sweet bippy there are.  In the FIRST case the 'emloyer', that's YOU,  caused the 'law' to be what it is. After that others may become complicit.  Claiming 'False Stories That 'Vilify' does, however, create a convenient scapegoat to avoid accepting personal responsibility in the matter.

 

Is anybody OK with that.  I'm not. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Social Butterfly
Posts: 5,886
Registered: ‎11-18-2009

Re: ICE: Rips ‘False Stories’ That ‘Vilify’ Agents

Message 2 of 13 (82 Views)

Olderscout66 wrote:


Der Trumper says he'll rid us of MS-13 gang members, and has managed to catch a couple dozen so far...out of an estimated membership of over 10,000. But it's not ICEs fault it cannot deal with violent gangs - Der Trumper has them concentrating on law-abiding aliens because they're so much easier to catch and that gives him nice big numbers to further inflate in his quest for ever-greater praise for doing little to nothing to make America better, let alone great.


exactly.

 

So it begins.
Valued Social Butterfly
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Registered: ‎11-09-2011

Re: ICE: Rips ‘False Stories’ That ‘Vilify’ Agents

Message 3 of 13 (87 Views)


Der Trumper says he'll rid us of MS-13 gang members, and has managed to catch a couple dozen so far...out of an estimated membership of over 10,000. But it's not ICEs fault it cannot deal with violent gangs - Der Trumper has them concentrating on law-abiding aliens because they're so much easier to catch and that gives him nice big numbers to further inflate in his quest for ever-greater praise for doing little to nothing to make America better, let alone great.

Treasured Social Butterfly
Posts: 23,269
Registered: ‎07-11-2013

Re: ICE: Rips ‘False Stories’ That ‘Vilify’ Agents

Message 4 of 13 (91 Views)

I never inquire as to anyone's immigration status and never answer questions posed by DHS/ICE agents.

 

KAKISTOCRACY
Respected Social Butterfly
Posts: 40,510
Registered: ‎06-03-2013

Re: ICE: Rips ‘False Stories’ That ‘Vilify’ Agents

Message 5 of 13 (113 Views)

rker321 wrote:

 

If ICE is finally enforcing inmigration laws, BLESS THEM


I completely agree with you.  Either enforce them or amend them.  It's like most everything else, certain elements are letting their emotionism overcome good order.  Good order is the reason for those immigration laws and they have served us well over the years.

 

 

Valued Social Butterfly
Posts: 21,422
Registered: ‎03-04-2009

Re: ICE: Rips ‘False Stories’ That ‘Vilify’ Agents

Message 6 of 13 (118 Views)

I am very sorry to say, that you are all mistaken.  If ICE  is deporting whole families is because they can. 
Whole families of undocumented aliens disregarding of nationality have no rights in this country. and it is their job to deport any illegal that they encounter. If any of those families have US children they have the option to either leave them here or taken them with them.
I am not going to sit here and agree with you, on the inmigration issue. because I don't happen to like Trump.
I have too many times have stated that we need a full comprehensive Inmigration law in this country. and to stop passing the buck from one Administration to the other.

If ICE is finally enforcing inmigration laws, BLESS THEM

Respected Social Butterfly
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Registered: ‎11-18-2009

Re: ICE: Rips ‘False Stories’ That ‘Vilify’ Agents

Message 7 of 13 (129 Views)
Homans statements on what he has "seen" seem to focus on the cruelty of the human smuggling rings that are bringing illegals here. of course the solution is to round up the poor folks that survived them and are trying to find a better life and future. Heaven forbid we infiltrate and break up these rings and punish the people raping and killing the immigrants. much easier to further victimze the victims. Besides, we dont want to wreck the money train.
So it begins.
Valued Social Butterfly
Posts: 26,482
Registered: ‎02-21-2014

Re: ICE: Rips ‘False Stories’ That ‘Vilify’ Agents

Message 8 of 13 (134 Views)

Panjandrum wrote:

Richva:  ICE is disrupting families and businesses because Trump and the Republicans cannot legislate a solution. 

 

 

No they can't legislate a solution (too incompetent for that), so they're doing what they always do: play to the folks out in Bugtussle USA who have probably never met an undocumented immigrant but hate them anyway. 


Well, if the folks out there in Bugtussle are saying that the correct action is to deport people here illegally, I'd say they got some pretty smart folks out there in Bugtussle and they are well worth listening to.

 

And the radical left has to introduce hatred into every discussion. This isn't about hatred - it is about the law.

Valued Social Butterfly
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Registered: ‎02-21-2014

Re: ICE: Rips ‘False Stories’ That ‘Vilify’ Agents

Message 9 of 13 (136 Views)

Richva wrote:

Here in New Mexico, we are getting reports of raids across the state sending whole families back across the border. It is tough to track as ICE does not release informatoin on these raids so the local papers and stations are keeping tallies based on their sources in those communities.  ICE is disrupting families and businesses because Trump and the Republicans cannot legislate a solution. 


Suely you realize that deporting people illegally here IS the solution you say can't be found.

Super Social Butterfly
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Registered: ‎12-05-2009

Re: ICE: Rips ‘False Stories’ That ‘Vilify’ Agents

Message 10 of 13 (148 Views)

Richva:  ICE is disrupting families and businesses because Trump and the Republicans cannot legislate a solution. 

 

 

No they can't legislate a solution (too incompetent for that), so they're doing what they always do: play to the folks out in Bugtussle USA who have probably never met an undocumented immigrant but hate them anyway.