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Re: I’m Sick of All The Health Care Freeloaders

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Message 11 of 33

Richva wrote:

Like most countries, healthcare in America is a right. In America, if you are sick or injured and go to a hospital, they must treat you regardless of whether you have insurance.  That is the law.  

 

So, if you do not believe healthcare is a right, should hospitals be allowed to wheel the sick and injured off their property and leave them sitting on the curb?  Sick babies? Grandmothers with broken hips?  Autistic adults?

 

 


That's NOT Health care - That's SICK care.  It is Triage at best - get them stable and off they go home or to a public hospital or some charity to give them the care they might need.

Ever see chemo being given in an ER?

Ever see an annual flu shot or an immunization being given in an ER.

Might get your first dialysis there but after that . . . . . .

 

Is that what we want - SICK care?  Actually when I look at stats - that does seem to be what many people want - we don't want to have to work to stay healthy, we just want somebody to fix us up when we are down.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: I’m Sick of All The Health Care Freeloaders

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jfpinlvn wrote:

intersan wrote:

Health care is a right, and not a priviledge. 


Claiming that it is a right does not make it so. There is no natural right to health care. It can't be a right because it's a service or commodity that someone has to pay for. Obtaining health care means taking advantage of time, skills, and resources that belong to other people. You cannot encroach on their human right to in order to guarantee someone else a "right".


"Promote the health and general welfare" ring a bell?

So it begins.
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Re: I’m Sick of All The Health Care Freeloaders

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Message 13 of 33

NerdyMom wrote:

The OP/ED is talking about kids on government health insurance.  Kids.   Kids don't pick their parents.  They have almost no say in how most of their lives go until they are mid to late teens.   If we don't help them, who do we help?   

 

Will we ever learn that by helping them, we help our entire nation?   

 


 


We can only help the kids if the parents decide to help them.  We have broadened coverage especially for kids - they can all fit into some type of health care coverage - but still it doesn't get done because the parents don't take the time to search their options.    We sign them up for Medicaid or CHIP when they are sick in the ER if their parents meet the criteria of coverage.

Others have access to health care coverage via their parents plan - private, employer, or government but yet , , , , ,

 

KHN 11/17/2017 - Despite ACA Cost Protections, Most Adolescents Skip Regular Checkups

 

. . . . both BEFORE and AFTER the ACA was established, fewer than half of kids ages 10 to 17 were getting routine annual physical exams, according to a recent study.

 

. . . . Before the health law passed in 2010, caregivers reported that 41 percent of children had a well-child visit in the previous year. After the ACA’s preventive services protections became effective, typically in 2011, the rate climbed to 48 percent, a “moderate” increase, Adams said. The increase was greatest for minority and low-income groups.

 

. . . . more than half of children in the survey didn’t go to the doctor for routine care over the course of a year, even though many families gained insurance and wouldn’t have owed anything for the visits.

 

The ACA required that most health plans cover preventive services recommended by four medical and scientific expert groups without charging consumers anything out-of-pocket. For children, many of these services are spelled out in the Bright Futures project guidelines, sponsored by the American Academy of Pediatrics and supported by the federal government, and by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, an independent group of medical experts that evaluates the evidence for clinical care.

 

About a fifth of adolescents ages 12 to 19 are obese, and between 13 and 20 percent of children have a mental disorder in any given year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 

We really don't seem to want health care - we want sick care - come down with something and then people expect us to spare no cost in treating them or getting them well, if that can even happen at that point.

 

At the end of 2016, we are still only giving 59.3% of kids from 6 months - 17 years old an annual flu shot. And 2017 seems to be even worse based on early-season vaccinations.

Per the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/coverage-1516estimates.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/nifs-estimates-nov2017.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm

Figure 1. Seasonal Flu Vaccination Coverage, by Age Group and Season, United States, 2009-2016

 

Only approximately two of every five children and adults in the United States had received an influenza (flu) vaccination by early November 2017:

  • 38.6% of all persons 6 months and older
  • 38.8% of children 6 months through 17 years
  • 38.5% of adults 18 years and older

 

  • Early 2017–18 flu season vaccination coverage was similar to coverage at the same time last flu season for children, adults, and all persons 6 months and older.
  • Among children, flu vaccination coverage was similar across all racial/ethnic groups with one exception—non-Hispanic children of other or multiple races had higher flu vaccination coverage than non-Hispanic black children.

 

The flu vaccination is a good indication of how much we put into preventative health because the flu shot is available in many locations - health locations, retail location, nonprofit locations, workplaces.

 

We are doing better with regular immunizations - at least in the very younger years - then it drops off so unless it is required. 

Percent of children aged 19-35 months receiving vaccinations for:

  • Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (4+ doses DTP, DT, or DTaP): 84.6%
  • Polio (3+ doses): 93.7%
  • Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) (1+ doses): 91.9%
  • Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) (primary series + booster dose): 82.7%
  • Hepatitis B (Hep B) (3+ doses): 92.6%
  • Chickenpox (Varicella) (1+ doses): 91.8%
  • Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV) (4+ doses): 84.1%
  • Combined 7-vaccine series: 72.2%

Other countries also find that preventive care of children drops off after an early age and they have put in mandates or incentives to make it happen. 

 

CNN 06/06/2017 - How countries around the world try to encourage vaccination

 

Think we should pay parents to take care of this preventive care?

Good Grief -

 

Perhaps the doc who wrote this very sarcastic piece, should hit the streets with bag in hand and find those kids whose parents don't have the time to be bothered with keeping their kids healthy -

 

People want SICK care coverage, NOT Health care coverage. 

 

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Re: I’m Sick of All The Health Care Freeloaders

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Like most countries, healthcare in America is a right. In America, if you are sick or injured and go to a hospital, they must treat you regardless of whether you have insurance.  That is the law.  

 

So, if you do not believe healthcare is a right, should hospitals be allowed to wheel the sick and injured off their property and leave them sitting on the curb?  Sick babies? Grandmothers with broken hips?  Autistic adults?

 

 

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Re: I’m Sick of All The Health Care Freeloaders

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jfpinlvn wrote:

intersan wrote:

Health care is a right, and not a priviledge. 


Claiming that it is a right does not make it so. There is no natural right to health care. It can't be a right because it's a service or commodity that someone has to pay for. Obtaining health care means taking advantage of time, skills, and resources that belong to other people. You cannot encroach on their human right to in order to guarantee someone else a "right".


The Right loves terms like "the haves and the have nots", so they can feel 'better' than others.  They abhor the thought of universal health care so that all will have the same quality health care regardless of their monetary status. They want to have better health care than what they call the "have nots" so that they can feel 'better than' them. All developed nations but the U.S. have universal health care. It's insane to think that the rest of the world is wrong and that America is right, especially when one compares America's health statistics to those in countries with national health care plans.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Re: I’m Sick of All The Health Care Freeloaders

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@gruffstuff—Thank you for your post. Nice to know that some still have compassion, humanity, and common sense.

 

Wonder how those who have posted differently would feel if someone they loved needed health care that was out of their reach.  Things are different when they happen to you.

 

 

Wonder if we’d hear the ridiculous mantra of “Oh well, the parents were urresponsible.” One wonders how  the hearts of some have become so blackened—so dead.

 

Thanks again, gruff.

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!

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Re: I’m Sick of All The Health Care Freeloaders

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phyllisc6781 wrote:

trump, the Repubs. who support him, and that mindless base are proud that they have deprived children of health care. They will deny it, but it’s in their greedy and shortsighted tweets, statements, and posts.  

After all, one of them told us,big deal, the parents were irresponsible.

 

That is incorrect and I believe you know it. The comment was about the irresponsibility of bringing children into the world that you are unable to provide for.

 

Now, can you agree with that comment (accurately stated)?

 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


 

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Re: Scrooge, they should die and decrease the surplus population, so Republican Undertakers can make

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bkohatl wrote:

Now, there are Spineless Chickenhawk Draft Dodger who use deferments and Boo Boos on their foot to avoid their debt to us, but millions answer the call.



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That could apply to those of either party, Clinton also comes to mind.  Also if military service is a criteria, then not being drafted, one's number not coming up,  or no draft is no excuse.  There has always been the option to volunteer.  So those who didn't take advantage of this option effectively did the same as avoiding paying this debt to the country, again if this is any criteria.

 

Besides this has nothing to do with partisan politics and medical programs.

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Re: I’m Sick of All The Health Care Freeloaders

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I believe that we are seeing the world and their attitudes through our own lenses as usual.

Our eccentricity has never stopped. If we act in a manner the world also does the same thing.
No, I do not believe that the world has lost their moral compass. There has always been the rich and the poor. but the moral values that we as humans had, have not changed.
We are living in this country in an unusual manner for now a few years. The division that exists today, is very dangerous. because it doesn't allow any of us to see what we are loosing.
We are seeing a revolution of moral values and social values. and what we are also seeing is the responses of a minority not being able to accept those changes.Many, cannot accept the fact that society has been changing and now it will be very difficult to go back to the way it was, 
There is a war between people that will not accept the fact that being white in America is no longer the norm.
We have not accepted the fact that homosexuality exists and has always existed and will not go away.
We refuse to accept that we have a country in which many religions exist and that the Christian religion is no longer the majority.
Imposing Christian notions on Jews, Muslims and others is not the way to survive.
The world has evolved and we have not seen it or want to accept it.
I always believed years ago that like the Roma Empire, we would enter into a decline and loose that preponderance in the world. and now is here. 
We will still live for a few years into the turmoil of the acceptance that other nations function a lot better than ours. And if we don't react, we will loose.
The acceptance of a changing society is becoming imperative for this nation to have some voice in a world that no longer believes in us.

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Re: I’m Sick of All The Health Care Freeloaders

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Claiming that it is a right does not make it so. There is no natural right to health care. It can't be a right because it's a service or commodity that someone has to pay for. Obtaining health care means taking advantage of time, skills, and resources that belong to other people. You cannot encroach on their human right to in order to guarantee someone else a "right".

 

Whatever all that means............

 

 The Declaration of Independence of the United States lists life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as natural rights.

 

Life isn't a natural right? Food, water, shelter and air are not natural rights? What do you mean by a natural right?

 

How is life ......... food,  water, shelter and air not a natural right ?

 

What is this some live off the land mentality?

 

We can have all the food we can grow ourselves, all the water we can drink from streams, all the heat we need from cutting firewood, and if we get sick ............. well get over it or die.

 

That world is gone.

 

Now  the 1% owns half the world.

 

Times have changed, now when people become ill, and a treatment is available, those people have right to treatment, if that treatment is denied and they die from that illness their natural right to life has been denied.

 

Basically what you claim is people have as many rights as they can afford to pay for, and children have no money, so therefore they have no right to life.

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