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Treasured Social Butterfly
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Re: How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?" Lie about It

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Wow. How about that? Ever since I read an article a few months ago (link below), I've been waiting for Republicans to come around and "revise" those Medicaid cuts and increase spending for those who get their insurance on the exchange. 

 

From your link: 

 

"A number of moderate Republicans had recoiled from the bill after the CBO estimated that 22 million fewer people would have insurance in a decade, and that premiums and deductibles for millions of low-income people would soar."


"Other changes under consideration include revising Medicaid cuts and adding more spending to stabilize premium costs in the individual insurance market, according to a GOP aide who requested anonymity."


"While moderates are balking at deep cuts to Medicaid and to subsidies for individual market consumers, conservatives are seeking looser regulations for such policies that are sold on Obamacare’s exchanges."

Those two tax increases generate nearly $231 billion in revenue over a decade, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation. Leaving them in place could create a way to cover the costs of expanded Medicaid coverage for the poor or other programs demanded by holdout moderate Republicans.


But know this: They love it. The health insurance companies' fingerprints are all over what the Republicans are calling the American Health Care Act.


Arguably the only thing they don’t like about it is the way the plan would slash funding for the Medicaid program.


That’s not because insurance executives are more compassionate for the poor than they’ve been in the past; it’s because a growing percentage of their profits now comes from Medicaid. In fact, more than half of the big insurers’ revenues is now coming from the government, not the private sector. And they’re fine with that.


Make no mistake, health insurance lobbyists also helped shape the Affordable Care Act. Most notably, they were able to get a provision stripped from the bill that would have created a government-run insurance plan (the “public option”) to compete with private insurers. But they didn’t get everything they wanted.


full article:

 

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/03/23/why-big-insurance-adores-american-health-care-act

 

Treasured Social Butterfly
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Re: How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?" Lie about It

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Another in depth article. When I see "Stalinesque" and "an article of some sort" I know this is going to be a well thought out piece.  

 

I am curious as to what sort of single payer system they are analyzing.  I am in favor of a Canadian style system as it seems most like what we have under private insurance and still makes the population quite happy up there. Yes, government spending would increase BECAUSE THEY PAY THE PREMIUMS after collecting them through premiums and taxes. 

 

This article is another "nothingburger". No research, no facts, no references. 

Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?" Lie about It

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Bloomberg is reporting this afternoon that tax cuts for high earners ( additional Medicare tax and the tax on capital gains for those making over $200,000 or

$ 250,000 for a couple) have been reinstated in the most recent plan that has been sent to the CBO.

 

Bloomberg 07/11/2017 - GOP Drops Tax Cuts For Big Earners In Revised Health Bill, Sources Say

 

From the link . . . . . 

"Senate Republican leaders dropped provisions that would repeal two taxes on high earners in a revised draft of their health-care bill sent to the Congressional Budget Office, according to GOP senators.

 

Republican leaders are now planning to retain Obamacare’s 3.8 percent tax on net investment income for people who earn more than $200,000 and couples with incomes over $250,000, as well as a 0.9 percent Medicare surtax on the same incomes."

 

 Read more at the link . . . .

 

Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?" Lie about It

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afisher wrote:

   Well, gee gosh golly gee whiz,   one has to wonder what Donald was suggesting when he campaigned  and  who promised voters he would “take care of everybody” on health care.    What was his grand plan...sure sounds like a single payer, lower cost, similar if not better coverage for all voters - aka Single Payer.  

 

    How quickly the far-right forget (or pretend to forget) what Donald campaigned on.   


Not too much of a difference than what President Obama was promising concerning the ACA - keep your plan, keep your doctor, save $ 2500 per year -

yea, yea, yea . . . . Blah, blah, blah 

 

 

 

 

Treasured Social Butterfly
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Re: How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?" Lie about It

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"...just offer Medicare for all and see what happens."

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Let the politicians in Washington try to take away Medicare Cards from 320 million Americans....

 

 

 

Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?" Lie about It

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rj72135989 wrote:

You are so right. I am a recently retired RN and have seen Medicine, hospital, ambulatory and home care from the inside and the transition from non-profit to for-profit. According to what has been reported about this secret bill, it has no mechanisms to cut costs, just cut care. What concerns me is the fact that though McConnel and Ryan are giddy about cutting 1 Trillion dollars from Healthcare spending over 10 years, without cost cutting, that Trillion dollars has to come from somewhere. With the planned 800 billion in tax cuts for the top 20%, I guess we all know where that Trillion will come from, don't we.

 


Good to see another using basic arithmetic to foil the plans of the neoRepublicans by exposing the evil they intend to do to the 99% so they can further enrich the 1%.

 

The Trillion cut from health care for the 99% would have all been "recycled" as increased demand for goods and services because it will all wind up as pay for the people providing the care. The $800Billion in tax transfers given to those earning a minimum of $85,000 will all wind up in sterile investments - existing stocks, bonds and realestate purchased by the wealthy so they'll be more wealthy, but not creating ANY additional demand for goods and services that would promote economic growth and help end the jrbush Depression.

Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?" Lie about It

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How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?

 

Well lets see, Medicare spends about $ 11,200 per person, and that is for old and disabled people with high medical cost.

 

Multiply that by 320 million and I get three trillion five hundred eighty-four billion.

 

Of course Medicare for all is not going to cost that, younger people don't have or require the medical expenses older people do.

 

In 2015 US health care spending was 3.2 Trillion or about $ 9,990 per person and of course that didn't cover everyone.

 

So ball park $ 10,000 per person times 320 million for Medicare for all or about three trillion two hundred billion, the same as 2015 spending, and that covers everyone.

 

It doesn't cost any more then what we do now and it works better, covers everyone, no out of network issues, and based on Medicare people love it.

 

So why fight it? Just figure out how to pay for it, I suggest a basket of taxes by which everyone pays the same percentage of their income more or less for Medicare for All.

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Re: How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?" Lie about It

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You are so right. I am a recently retired RN and have seen Medicine, hospital, ambulatory and home care from the inside and the transition from non-profit to for-profit. According to what has been reported about this secret bill, it has no mechanisms to cut costs, just cut care. What concerns me is the fact that though McConnel and Ryan are giddy about cutting 1 Trillion dollars from Healthcare spending over 10 years, without cost cutting, that Trillion dollars has to come from somewhere. With the planned 800 billion in tax cuts for the top 20%, I guess we all know where that Trillion will come from, don't we.

 

Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?" Lie about It

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   Well, gee gosh golly gee whiz,   one has to wonder what Donald was suggesting when he campaigned  and  who promised voters he would “take care of everybody” on health care.    What was his grand plan...sure sounds like a single payer, lower cost, similar if not better coverage for all voters - aka Single Payer.  

 

    How quickly the far-right forget (or pretend to forget) what Donald campaigned on.   

Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: How Will the Left Sell "Single Payer?" Lie about It

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All we have to do is THINK when the RW lies about Universal Coverage/Single Payer.

 

1. The cost of giving Americans the same human right to health care now enjoyed by the citizens of every other industrialized country is NOT $3.5Trillion. that's the total cost of health care, and 86% of Americans already have it. To get EVERYBODY insurance (Universal coverage) we only have to ADD those missing 20 million souls at a cost of (ACA Silver Plan) $4200/year, total cost $84 Billion.

 

2. We can get the $84Billion with a 5% surcharge on incomes over $250,000 (new TMR 44.9%), or a 13% reduction in DOD spending to cut unnecessary weapons and worthless, never-ending wars, or a combination of both - e.g., 3% surcharge, 6% cut. But the best way to do it would be to simply make the Medicare deduction "progressive" and have it cover the cost. If the increase was enough to provide everyone "ACA-Silver Plan" that would be the base-line for Universal Coverage, the Government could make all payments for covered services to the provider, and collect the reimbursement from the insurance company.

 

3. This has been estimated to cut insurance company administrative costs by very nearly half, and those savings would be rebated to the customers the same way costs above 15% of premiums collected are rebated under ACA.

 

4. To control future cost growth, payments for drugs would be limited to the lowest cost the company charges for their drugs anywhere in the World. R&D funding would be protected (enhanced") by making advertizing of prescription drugs illegal, freeing up about 110% of what the companies now spend on R&D to either expand their R&D or lower prices on existing drugs.

 

So when GOPers try and scare you by ranting about "Government taking over a third of the economy" or "taxes skyrocketing to come up with $3Trillion each year", relax and know that its just more lies told to advance the fortunes of the GOPerLords who own Big Pharma, corporate doctors and the insurance companies.