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Re: Gun control must be taken serious, it concerns every one

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rk9152 wrote:

Olderscout66 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

MIseker wrote:

jimc91 wrote:

Going forward IMO America and the entire world would be better served by a laser focus on "MASS MURDER" rather that MASS SHOOTINGS.  Look at other countries outside the USA.  Cars, truck, knives, chemicals, hammers, hatchets, airplanes, shoe bombs, and Guns.

 

IMO to place our efforts on banning or regulating an inanimate object is similar to running on a treadmill.  Plenty of effort but you stay in the same place.

 

Until we understand how to recognize the causes of evil in our world we will continue to experience "MURDER and MASS MURDER" .


perfect example of what im talking about. SHift focus away from GUN DEATHS as a priority. By the way Jim, a federal registry and limits on purchases whould have flagged this nut, and many others. Then we have them on hand to examine.


I believe that jm's very rational point was that it is the murder that is important, not the tool. Think of it this way - if a friend or loved one is killed, do you feel better if the killer used a truck, a bomb, or a knife instead of a gun? 

 

So, yes, it is a SHIFT - a shift to the more important element of the discussion of  killings.


It's not a "shift", its a deception. Until we have a foolproof way to identify which seeminly normal people will become homicidal maniacs, or just careless thugs using guns to kill for profit or revenge, then talking about mental health as a solution to gun violence is CRAZY.


So, in the example above you wouldn't mind having a friend or loved one murdered just so it wasn't by a gun. Now - that is CRAZY.


The chance of a loved one or anyone else being killed by a gun are hundreds of times greater than being murdered with a 5-iron or any other non-gun method.

 

Pretending we must do nothing with guns UNTIL we can protect against meteors, car bombs, suicide vests, insane motorists and the Zombie Apocalypse is not just CRAZY, it's REPUBLICAN.

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Re: Gun control must be taken serious, it concerns every one

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ChasKy53 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

MIseker wrote:

jimc91 wrote:

Going forward IMO America and the entire world would be better served by a laser focus on "MASS MURDER" rather that MASS SHOOTINGS.  Look at other countries outside the USA.  Cars, truck, knives, chemicals, hammers, hatchets, airplanes, shoe bombs, and Guns.

 

IMO to place our efforts on banning or regulating an inanimate object is similar to running on a treadmill.  Plenty of effort but you stay in the same place.

 

Until we understand how to recognize the causes of evil in our world we will continue to experience "MURDER and MASS MURDER" .


perfect example of what im talking about. SHift focus away from GUN DEATHS as a priority. By the way Jim, a federal registry and limits on purchases whould have flagged this nut, and many others. Then we have them on hand to examine.


I believe that jm's very rational point was that it is the murder that is important, not the tool. Think of it this way - if a friend or loved one is killed, do you feel better if the killer used a truck, a bomb, or a knife instead of a gun? 

 

So, yes, it is a SHIFT - a shift to the more important element of the discussion of  killings.


When's the last time that over 200 people got killed and over 500 wounded by a person with a truck or a knife?   This shooter used semi-automatic weapons that had the capability of slaughtering hundreds within minutes. Show how it was the founding fathers' intent that the second amendment should give people that capability. The Constitution allows for firearms to be regulated an that's what we should do.

 

200??? I missed that report.

 

I fully agree with getting rid of those bump stocks that Obama approved - let's regulate them out of existence.


 

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Re: Gun control must be taken serious, it concerns every one

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Olderscout66 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

MIseker wrote:

jimc91 wrote:

Going forward IMO America and the entire world would be better served by a laser focus on "MASS MURDER" rather that MASS SHOOTINGS.  Look at other countries outside the USA.  Cars, truck, knives, chemicals, hammers, hatchets, airplanes, shoe bombs, and Guns.

 

IMO to place our efforts on banning or regulating an inanimate object is similar to running on a treadmill.  Plenty of effort but you stay in the same place.

 

Until we understand how to recognize the causes of evil in our world we will continue to experience "MURDER and MASS MURDER" .


perfect example of what im talking about. SHift focus away from GUN DEATHS as a priority. By the way Jim, a federal registry and limits on purchases whould have flagged this nut, and many others. Then we have them on hand to examine.


I believe that jm's very rational point was that it is the murder that is important, not the tool. Think of it this way - if a friend or loved one is killed, do you feel better if the killer used a truck, a bomb, or a knife instead of a gun? 

 

So, yes, it is a SHIFT - a shift to the more important element of the discussion of  killings.


It's not a "shift", its a deception. Until we have a foolproof way to identify which seeminly normal people will become homicidal maniacs, or just careless thugs using guns to kill for profit or revenge, then talking about mental health as a solution to gun violence is CRAZY.


So, in the example above you wouldn't mind having a friend or loved one murdered just so it wasn't by a gun. Now - that is CRAZY.

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Re: Gun control must be taken serious, it concerns every one

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rk9152 wrote:

 

So, yes, it is a SHIFT - a shift to the more important element of the discussion of  killings.


And  what is that shift?  you seem to know about it, please clarify your statement.

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Re: Gun control must be taken serious, it concerns every one

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rk9152 wrote:

MIseker wrote:

jimc91 wrote:

Going forward IMO America and the entire world would be better served by a laser focus on "MASS MURDER" rather that MASS SHOOTINGS.  Look at other countries outside the USA.  Cars, truck, knives, chemicals, hammers, hatchets, airplanes, shoe bombs, and Guns.

 

IMO to place our efforts on banning or regulating an inanimate object is similar to running on a treadmill.  Plenty of effort but you stay in the same place.

 

Until we understand how to recognize the causes of evil in our world we will continue to experience "MURDER and MASS MURDER" .


perfect example of what im talking about. SHift focus away from GUN DEATHS as a priority. By the way Jim, a federal registry and limits on purchases whould have flagged this nut, and many others. Then we have them on hand to examine.


I believe that jm's very rational point was that it is the murder that is important, not the tool. Think of it this way - if a friend or loved one is killed, do you feel better if the killer used a truck, a bomb, or a knife instead of a gun? 

 

So, yes, it is a SHIFT - a shift to the more important element of the discussion of  killings.


When's the last time that over 200 people got killed and over 500 wounded by a person with a truck or a knife?   This shooter used semi-automatic weapons that had the capability of slaughtering hundreds within minutes. Show how it was the founding fathers' intent that the second amendment should give people that capability. The Constitution allows for firearms to be regulated an that's what we should do.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Re: Gun control must be taken serious, it concerns every one

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rk9152 wrote:

MIseker wrote:

jimc91 wrote:

Going forward IMO America and the entire world would be better served by a laser focus on "MASS MURDER" rather that MASS SHOOTINGS.  Look at other countries outside the USA.  Cars, truck, knives, chemicals, hammers, hatchets, airplanes, shoe bombs, and Guns.

 

IMO to place our efforts on banning or regulating an inanimate object is similar to running on a treadmill.  Plenty of effort but you stay in the same place.

 

Until we understand how to recognize the causes of evil in our world we will continue to experience "MURDER and MASS MURDER" .


perfect example of what im talking about. SHift focus away from GUN DEATHS as a priority. By the way Jim, a federal registry and limits on purchases whould have flagged this nut, and many others. Then we have them on hand to examine.


I believe that jm's very rational point was that it is the murder that is important, not the tool. Think of it this way - if a friend or loved one is killed, do you feel better if the killer used a truck, a bomb, or a knife instead of a gun? 

 

So, yes, it is a SHIFT - a shift to the more important element of the discussion of  killings.


It's not a "shift", its a deception. Until we have a foolproof way to identify which seeminly normal people will become homicidal maniacs, or just careless thugs using guns to kill for profit or revenge, then talking about mental health as a solution to gun violence is CRAZY.

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Re: Gun control must be taken serious, it concerns every one

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Message 147 of 160

MIseker wrote:

jimc91 wrote:

Going forward IMO America and the entire world would be better served by a laser focus on "MASS MURDER" rather that MASS SHOOTINGS.  Look at other countries outside the USA.  Cars, truck, knives, chemicals, hammers, hatchets, airplanes, shoe bombs, and Guns.

 

IMO to place our efforts on banning or regulating an inanimate object is similar to running on a treadmill.  Plenty of effort but you stay in the same place.

 

Until we understand how to recognize the causes of evil in our world we will continue to experience "MURDER and MASS MURDER" .


perfect example of what im talking about. SHift focus away from GUN DEATHS as a priority. By the way Jim, a federal registry and limits on purchases whould have flagged this nut, and many others. Then we have them on hand to examine.


I believe that jm's very rational point was that it is the murder that is important, not the tool. Think of it this way - if a friend or loved one is killed, do you feel better if the killer used a truck, a bomb, or a knife instead of a gun? 

 

So, yes, it is a SHIFT - a shift to the more important element of the discussion of  killings.

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Re: Gun control must be taken serious, it concerns every one

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It is important to recognize that in the US there is a culture of having guns like there is no other country in this planet.

The citizens of this country constantly name the second amendment as a right that is continuously endangered.

The Federal government is seen as the vehicle that has been preparing to disarm the Americans of their guns for years.
They need to have guns and purchase guns to defend themselves continuously from enemies that they cannot name. Oh yes "the bad people"

The "bad people"  is one of the most quoted reasons as to why each American needs to have in many cases an arsenal in their home.
They are not even content to have one fire arm, now they need quite a few to feel secure, and now silencers, open carry, semi automatic are taking hold in the American family as a "must have" just like a smart phone or a tablet.
I guess that we have been suffering from an infectious disease that resides in the brains of many.

Is not the NRA is all of us. we are the ones that protect the NRA and institutions like them.
When will it stop. I guess when because of a war, all Americans will really need to defend themselves. but this time at least the enemy may have a name that we can recognize.

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Re: Gun control must be taken serious, it concerns every one

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Message 149 of 160

NerdyMom wrote:

https://youtu.be/a-o9pwWUzz0

 

The Dutch, mocking us. 


Perfect, NM, PERFECT!  If there were a way to give you another kudo for common sense, I would.  Perhaps the posters here will follow the link too....good job finding it.

 

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Re: Gun control must be taken serious, it concerns every one

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The NRA owned Republican's approve mandatory ID to purchase cigarettes or cold medicine , but don't require ID ,( let alone registration) from any " potential " mad man purchasing an Assault Rifle loaded with 50 armor piercing rounds from a Gun Show or Private seller.

 Wake up America , this isn't Dodge City !!!

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