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Valued Social Butterfly

Re: GOP CUTS TO MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY

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We can't afford a reasonable COLA for S.S. because the Grand Old Plutocrats must feed more to their Wealthy Donor's and those Donor's dont give a hoot about our Struggling Senior's and Disabled. So as long as that GOP runs Congress and the White House , OUR Senior's and Disabled are doomed !!!

 

DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!

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Re: GOP CUTS TO MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY

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rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

GailL1 wrote:

@myexper

 

You asked:

"So what happens to those who are NOT nearing retirement or retired"

 

They will adjust just like we did when changes were made by President Reagan and Speaker Tip O'Neill to save the SS system back in 1983. 

 


Too many seniors are already resorting to eating dog food and dropping medications to pay for other bills Gail.  THAT is NOT an "adjustment" that needs to be repeated or expanded!

 

A more humane "adjustment" would be to increase the cap on SS payment from earned income and using money from our over bloated military budget to help pay for Medicare.


Those "dog food eating" seniors are not a factor -

Easy to say for someone who has won the lottery.

 

proposals refer to the not yet retired or near retirement.

Not true .... Republican demand to use the Chained CPI for SS COLA will cut SS benefits for EVERYBODY .... present and future!!!

 

But you know that so why do you resort to such emotional fraudulence?

Wrong again ..... I "know" what you want to evade.

 

Military spending is an appropriate function of the federal government, feeding people is not.

And wrong again ..... the function of government is to do for its citizens what they are unable to do by themselves ..... and that would obviously entail helping to take care of the disabled and elderly.

 

And as our military spending has been greater than that of the next 10 nations combined, we certainly can divert some funds to save and alleviate the suffering of American lives instead of initiating more Republican wars!!!


 

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Valued Social Butterfly

Re: GOP CUTS TO MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY

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rk9152 wrote:


 


Is it your point that SS is fine and needs no changes or that you do not like the proposed changes?


AH!!!!! the common approach of twisting the words and truths of a post. the questions that never end.  and how much the manipulation  is felt in the post above.

Yes, Virginia, Social Security will need changes, but not the changes that we all know you would like to see,, You have already made them quite clear in all of your previous posts.

So. perhaps you now would like to discuss some real changes that this program  may be helped and saved for future generations.

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Re: GOP CUTS TO MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY

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myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Tom5678 wrote:
GOP wants to do away with our safety net. Totally and completely. Is it Nov. 2018 yet???? Throw the bums out. Clueless party.

Any proposal I've ever seen has exempted anyone on or nearing retirement age. So, "our" safety net is safe.


You conveniently forget that the Republican demand to implement the Chained CPI to SS COLA will cut Social Security benefits for EVERYBODY!!!!!


Totally unrelated to the need for a long-term fix.

Yet your Republicans want to use it as a means "for a long- term fix"! 

So your comment is another NOT TRUE rk!!!

 

And your comment still does NOTHING to change the fact that Republican demand to implement the Chained CPI to SS COLA will cut Social Security benefits for EVERYBODY!!!


 


Is it your point that SS is fine and needs no changes or that you do not like the proposed changes?

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Re: GOP CUTS TO MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY

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myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

mandm84 wrote:

As long as you got yours it's ok rk9152 ?


Did you miss the words  "our" safety net accidentally or on purpose?


The "our" refers to people on or nearing retirement.

 

So what happens to those who are NOT nearing retirement or retired rk?

 

Did you "miss those words accidentally or on purpose"?

 

The comment to you "as long as you got yours it's OK" does indeed apply to yourself rk .... as it has in all the government assistance programs that you regularly condemn!

 

 


You seem unable to comprehend the difference between an earned retirement package be it government, union, or private and an unearned program based on need. They are really two separate entities and should be discussed separately.


No rk .... I completely "comprehend" your evasion from the fact that you believe "as long as you get yours it's OK"!

 

You stated "Any proposal I've ever seen has exempted anyone on or nearing retirement age. So, "our" safety net is safe." ....... And in THIS DISCUSSION rk .... and relative to Social Security and Medicare rk!!!

 

So you are not concerned about those NOT currently nearing retirement or NOT in retirement.  So long as you believe that you'll "get yours" .... it's no problemo!!!!

 

 

It is understood by intelligent people that things are constantly in flux. Such people understand that the programs are in a situation whereby they will be going belly up in the time frame to be of concern of the people under discussion. Hence, intelligent people look at these programs as something more than merely a tool to attack the president (or fellow posters).


 


No rk ..... "Intelligent people" know when someone is trying to obfuscate a "situation" with double talk, nonsense and made up accusatory statements to evade their blatant contradictions!!!


Straight talk - are any changes needed in SS and Medicare?

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Re: GOP CUTS TO MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY

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rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Tom5678 wrote:
GOP wants to do away with our safety net. Totally and completely. Is it Nov. 2018 yet???? Throw the bums out. Clueless party.

Any proposal I've ever seen has exempted anyone on or nearing retirement age. So, "our" safety net is safe.


You conveniently forget that the Republican demand to implement the Chained CPI to SS COLA will cut Social Security benefits for EVERYBODY!!!!!


Totally unrelated to the need for a long-term fix.

Yet your Republicans want to use it as a means "for a long- term fix"! 

So your comment is another NOT TRUE rk!!!

 

And your comment still does NOTHING to change the fact that Republican demand to implement the Chained CPI to SS COLA will cut Social Security benefits for EVERYBODY!!!


 

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Re: GOP CUTS TO MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY

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rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

mandm84 wrote:

As long as you got yours it's ok rk9152 ?


Did you miss the words  "our" safety net accidentally or on purpose?


The "our" refers to people on or nearing retirement.

 

So what happens to those who are NOT nearing retirement or retired rk?

 

Did you "miss those words accidentally or on purpose"?

 

The comment to you "as long as you got yours it's OK" does indeed apply to yourself rk .... as it has in all the government assistance programs that you regularly condemn!

 

 


You seem unable to comprehend the difference between an earned retirement package be it government, union, or private and an unearned program based on need. They are really two separate entities and should be discussed separately.


No rk .... I completely "comprehend" your evasion from the fact that you believe "as long as you get yours it's OK"!

 

You stated "Any proposal I've ever seen has exempted anyone on or nearing retirement age. So, "our" safety net is safe." ....... And in THIS DISCUSSION rk .... and relative to Social Security and Medicare rk!!!

 

So you are not concerned about those NOT currently nearing retirement or NOT in retirement.  So long as you believe that you'll "get yours" .... it's no problemo!!!!

 

 

It is understood by intelligent people that things are constantly in flux. Such people understand that the programs are in a situation whereby they will be going belly up in the time frame to be of concern of the people under discussion. Hence, intelligent people look at these programs as something more than merely a tool to attack the president (or fellow posters).


 


No rk ..... "Intelligent people" know when someone is trying to obfuscate a "situation" with double talk, nonsense and made up accusatory statements to evade their blatant contradictions!!!

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Re: GOP CUTS TO MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY

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@rk9152

@mandm84

@john258

@ChasKy53

@Olderscout66

I would hope there might be taken a little more humane attitude on military spending versus feeding people. Case in point, caught on tape, the man who was escaping from north korea and was shot at, upon examination was found to have worms, parasites and suffering from malnutrition. As which much of the nk populace suffers from having their calorie intake really limited. Yet their selfish 

dictator takes a lot of money to make a really big production of his military might. And probably takes a big chunk for himself...he looks like he is well fed, many others look like their uniforms are three sizes too big. 

Point of strategy: his troops may be very ferocious initially, but if they have not eaten well and have not been cared for properly, they won’t have stamina and may fold up like card table chairs. Military over feeding kids or adults that need a meal...I hope not. Don’t want us to be like that. 

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Re: GOP CUTS TO MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY

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rk9152 wrote:

Olderscout66 wrote:

 


myexper wrote:

GailL1 wrote:

@myexper

 

You asked:

"So what happens to those who are NOT nearing retirement or retired"

 

They will adjust just like we did when changes were made by President Reagan and Speaker Tip O'Neill to save the SS system back in 1983. 

 


Too many seniors are already resorting to eating dog food and dropping medications to pay for other bills Gail.  THAT is NOT an "adjustment" that needs to be repeated or expanded!

 

A more humane "adjustment" would be to increase the cap on SS payment from earned income and using money from our over bloated military budget to help pay for Medicare.


Reagan fixed SS by a 20% increase in the rate AND a 50% increase in the "cap". Only reason it failed was he didn't keep the cap growing so it continued to cover 90% of income, and his Taxscam redistributed all the income growth to the top 10% where it wasn't contributing to the SSTF, but WAS increasing the portion of recepients who would draw the maximum payment.

 

Raise the "cap" to $250,000 and index it to cover 90% of income and SS is solvent for the forseeable future.

 

Also, it's Federal INSURANCE Contribution Act, and you don't collect on your insurance (in this case, loss of income) when the loss is less than your deductable - the part you DIDN'T insure. You only pay for the income UP TO THE CAP. So, if your income in retirement is MORE than the average of the "cap" under which you contributed, you've NOT suffered a loss you were insuring and should not get to collect.

 

Do that and the funds avaliable would be more than sufficient to ensure ALL Americans have a comfortable retirement instead of sending billions in insurance payments to those who suffered no insured loss.

 

People keep thinking SS is a retirement fund and it's not, never was. It's INSURANCE to keep you from living under a bridge eating Alpo in your golden years,not to pay part of your greens fees. If you don't suffer a loss, you should not collect, same as with all your other insurance. Insisting on paying those who suffer no loss is why many ARE living under a bridge eating Alpo after a lifetime of toil.


What has the so called "Reagan taxscam" to do with SS and medicare (the topics).

 

As to those Alpo eaters - they are not a factor since any plan does not effect current retirees.


Here is what the far right reb are doing per statement by Speaker Paul Ryan.

1. They are increasing the debt a great deal with the tax plan they are pushing.

2. Next year they will cut the debt by cutting SS, Medicare, Medicaid. (Paul Ryan said this today)

We know the far right Reb. have been trying to cut these programs for 40 years now so this is nothing new. They have pushed the theory Starve the beast, and that is what they are doing.

 

Did you see that in the new Tax bill it will end all deductions for losses from fires or storms. That means the people who lost their homes etc will not be able to claim a tax credit for expenses they incur to replace property. It will hurt the people in CA right now with the current fires. Sadly there about 20 Reb. congressmen from CA who voted for that. Now why would anyone in CA vote for them. We see our far right at work causing misery for people just like they have for over 200 years.

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Re: GOP CUTS TO MEDICARE & SOCIAL SECURITY

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rk9152 wrote:

 


 

 

As to those Alpo eaters - they are not a factor since any plan does not effect current retirees.


Why should we only be concerned about "current" retirees? The old 'I got mine, the heck with them' mantra?


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