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Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: Communism

Message 101 of 104 (105 Views)

rk9152 wrote:

The concepts of Communism predate Stalin and even Marx. In fact, there were "Utopian Communities" (same concept as Communism) established in the USofA as far back as the early 1800s. They all shared on thing - they all failed. They were noble ideas but impractical. 


And therein lies the basic flaw - the thought that "reeducation" can actually change human nature and - this is the big one - an all powerful government will suddenly disappear.

 

I believe that our Founders had seen the potential disaster of the all powerful government and our Constitution was the result - our Constitution, not a "living document" that can change at the current whims of the day.


I may agree on some of your points but I will take it one step further.

 

History has shown us that NO PURE form of ANY TYPE of government has ever been successful.

 

We do not have a pure form of DEMOCRACY in the United States; as part of our infrastructure is SOCIALISTIC in nature.

 

Russia does not have a pure form of SOCIALISM, even though that was once in its name, as they  operate as a CAPITALIST/DEMOCRATIC society on many fronts.

 

Finally, China does not have a pure form of COMMUNISM as is evidenced by their place in the economies of the world and their use of CAPITALIST/DEMOCRATIC practices.

 

In fact, if you want something as close to a COMMUNIST society today; you just need to look at an Israeli Kibbutz.

 

But your analysis about the Constitution is just as flawed as your view of history.

 

Strength of government versus forms of government have nothing to do with each other.

 

Look at Singapore. It is a constitutional form of government with an Executive Branch, Legislative Branch, and Judicial Branch.

 

It has a very restrictive, strong, Federal Government but its economy, schools, per capita income, cost of living, and many other factors of daily life are some of the best in the world.

 

The people there have been re-educated to trade off a somewhat restrictive government for all the benefits they have derived from it.

Treasured Social Butterfly
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Registered: ‎02-28-2008

Re: Communism

Message 102 of 104 (112 Views)

I would point out that the economic system used by the United States is not part of the Constitution.  I certainly agree that some people misunderstand words like Communism and Marxism but it is most annoying when they make up their own definitions.  One poster continues to label  any cooperative economic effort as Marxism which wither shows a profound ignorance or a blatant disregard of the facts. 

 

Simply applying a label to the economic approach used to solve a problem does not make it good or bad.  It makes it possible to reduce the conversation to a bumper sticker.....an inaccurate bumper sticker at that. 

Treasured Social Butterfly
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Re: Communism

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There have been other people through the years spouting utter nonsense like that.

 

Point in fact - if the founding fathers did not believe that the Constitution should be modified when and as necessary, and intend that it be modified by future generations, they would not have provided a mechanism for amending it.

 

Next inane postulate....

 

Is it not true that ALL early pre-civilization tribal groupings functioned communally - were in fact functional communal/communistic societies that lasted well over five hundred times longer than modern civilization has existed?

 

Nice try - but it's all based upon falsehoods and politically biased misapprenensions(lies).

 

 

 

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Valued Social Butterfly
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Communism

Message 104 of 104 (113 Views)

Some get all wrapped around the axle about the words "Communism" and "Marxism" even to the point of officially complaining and I believe that comes from a misunderstanding of the word.

 

The concepts of Communism predate Stalin and even Marx. In fact, there were "Utopian Communities" (same concept as Communism) established in the USofA as far back as the early 1800s. They all shared on thing - they all failed. They were noble ideas but impractical. 

 

Now Marx - he didn't invent Communism. It was a topic of discussion throughout Europe among the "coffee shop hippies" of the day. Marx (along with Engles) codified the coffee shop talk into his book. 

 

It, like the early "Utopian Communities" was noble but impractical. It's problem is that it totally defies human nature and to bring it about (as spelled out by Marx) required a strong government that would control every aspect of life during the "conversion period" where people were taught to accept it's principles. And then the plan was the government would disappear and the "Workers' Paradise" would result. And therein lies the basic flaw - the thought that "reeducation" can actually change human nature and - this is the big one - an all powerful government will suddenly disappear.

 

I know that some think that we can put "one toe in the water". However, they are they same who complain that our elected representatives are all corrupt. Are these the people that you want to give all that power to?

 

I believe that our Founders had seen the potential disaster of the all powerful government and our Constitution was the result - our Constitution, not a "living document" that can change at the current whims of the day.