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Treasured Social Butterfly
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Re: Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville

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NerdyMom wrote:

Kidboy, it's not illegal. 

 

Several things.   1)  There is no mention of any arrests for putting a tarp or sheet over the statue.  2)  The city put its own tarp over the Robert E. Lee statue after the Charlottesville riot and murder of a counter-protester.   3)  The definition of "deface" is "to spoil the appearance of something, by marking or writing on it."

 

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/deface

 

 

 

The City covered the Robert E. Lee statue with a tarp after the protests.  Some guy came up and started cutting the tarp off, and police stopped him.  He remarked that he thought covering a war statue was illegal.   

 

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/08/23/wrapped-charlottesville-shrouds-confederate-sta...

 

Virginia law addresses vandalism under multiple statutes.  One is general vandalism.   The others are vandalism of specific items.  You can search the code, as well.

 

 

 

§ 18.2-137 Injuring, etc., any property, monument, etc.

A. If any person unlawfully destroys, defaces, damages or removes without the intent to steal any property, real or personal, not his own, or breaks down, destroys, defaces, damages or removes without the intent to steal, any monument or memorial for war veterans described in § 15.2-1812, any monument erected for the purpose of marking the site of any engagement fought during the War between the States, or for the purpose of designating the boundaries of any city, town, tract of land, or any tree marked for that purpose, he shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor; provided that the court may, in its discretion, dismiss the charge if the locality or organization responsible for maintaining the injured property, monument, or memorial files a written affidavit with the court stating it has received full payment for the injury.

B. If any person intentionally causes such injury, he shall be guilty of (i) a Class 1 misdemeanor if the value of or damage to the property, memorial or monument is less than $1,000 or (ii) a Class 6 felony if the value of or damage to the property, memorial or monument is $1,000 or more. The amount of loss caused by the destruction, defacing, damage or removal of such property, memorial or monument may be established by proof of the fair market cost of repair or fair market replacement value. Upon conviction, the court may order that the defendant pay restitution.

 

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-137

 

 

§ 18.2-138. Damaging public buildings, etc.; penalty.

Any person who willfully and maliciously (i) breaks any window or door of the Capitol, any courthouse, house of public worship, institution of higher education, school house, city or town hall, or other public building or library, (ii) damages or defaces the Capitol or any other public building or any statuary in the Capitol, on the Capitol Square, or in or on any other public buildings or public grounds, or (iii) destroys any property in any of such buildings shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony if damage to the property is $1,000 or more or a Class 1 misdemeanor if the damage is less than $1,000.

Any person who willfully and unlawfully damages or defaces any book, newspaper, magazine, pamphlet, map, picture, manuscript, or other property located in any library, reading room, museum, or other educational institution shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony if damage to the property is $1,000 or more or a Class 1 misdemeanor if the damage is less than $1,000.

 

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter5/section18.2-138

 


Excellent work, NerdyMom....political bigots never let facts get in the way of their FAKE NEWS and faux outrage....it's just pathetic.


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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Re: Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville

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KidBoy2 wrote:

myexper posted..

KidBoy2 wrote:

I am sure there are laws about covering a statue without permission.

So what and where is that law KidBoy2?

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Did the protesters have a permit?  They weren't required to have a permit!

Have you ever heard of laws about disturbing the peace?  Did TJ call the cops?  Not your job to enforce the law, Kidboy!

Want more laws...do your own research.  You provide NONE!!!

Gee, this thread has sure brought out the gang of eight and many excuses.... it in a way it is funny.  And the gang of two, posting FAKE NEWS Again.....


 


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville

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NerdyMom posted..

Kidboy, it's not illegal.


Did the protesters have a permit?

Have you ever heard of laws about disturbing the peace?

Want more laws...look them up!
Treasured Social Butterfly
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Re: Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville

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KidBoy2 wrote:

NerdyMom posted..

If you care about the Constitution, you'd support these protesters, too. In their right to protest. Not necessarily the substance. Failure to support the Consitituion for EVERYONE goes against the very reason our country exists.

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I support peaceful protests....this was not peaceful. MORE FAKE NEWS!!!!  How was this NOT a peaceful protest?

 

You state as fact "Throwing a sheet or a sign over something is easily remedied.  It's not illegal." Can you prove that?  I say you can not.  LMAO!  Yet you STILL haven't shown it IS illegal.  Conservatives are a funny lot.....this one claims if a law doesn't exist saying something is legal, than it must not ve.  Must not be a Libertarian....


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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Re: Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville

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KidBoy2 wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/12/black-lives-matter-protesters-defaced-jefferson-st/

The statue of Thomas Jefferson was attacked Tuesday evening by protesters at the university he founded.
According to local media in Charlottesville, about 100 students, faculty and local residents shrouded the statue in black and hung a banner on it saying “Black Lives Matter” and that “White Supremacy” should commit a sexual act.
Others in the small rainy-night crowd carried signs reading “Thomas Jefferson is a racist and a rapist” and chanted “No Trump, No KKK, no racist UVa.”
The defacement came one month after riots over a white-nationalist protest against a similar shrouding by the city council of statues of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson.

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This is not false news. It did happen.  FAKE NEWS!!!  The statute wasn't "defaced".  The Washington Times lied to fire up their low information readers.

I do think that this thing about taking down statues is got out of hand...what does that have to do with a non-violent and non-destructive protest?   


The link is just one more example showing how people have lost respect for our founding fathers, etc. And it seems it the left that condone it.  "The Right" apparently doesn't condone protest where no one is run over by a car, two cops don't die and many aren't arrested.  Say's a LOT about Conservatives.


 


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Re: Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville

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KidBoy2 wrote:
NerdyMom posted..

They didn't break any laws.

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Says you.

I think you should read the subject of this link.

"Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville"

To me, but not being a left winger deface of property is against the law.  Really?  Prove it.  What faux outrage coming from one who was OK with Nazi's and the KKK protesting.  Apparently coming to a protest with loaded weapons is more acceptable than coming with a shroud and a sign.

Again..Excuses for bad behavior. There seems to be a lot of that going on with the left...but it's not new on this board...in fact it's expected. All the posts on this thread show that is true.  Conservatives believing FAKE NEWS and then claiming it's "bad behavior" is laughable.

"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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Re: Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville

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KidBoy2 wrote:

myexper posted..

KidBoy2 wrote:

I am sure there are laws about covering a statue without permission.

So what and where is that law KidBoy2?

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Did the protesters have a permit?

Have you ever heard of laws about disturbing the peace?

Want more laws...do your own research.

Gee, this thread has sure brought out the gang of eight and many excuses.... it in a way it is funny.

I don't see any "excuses".  Just trying to get the truth out in the face of the, usual, false and misleading stories put out the the right wing nut jobs. These people may have protested but they did no deface the statue. That makes this thread FAKE NEWS.  Right?

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Re: Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville

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Kidboy, it's not illegal. 

 

Several things.   1)  There is no mention of any arrests for putting a tarp or sheet over the statue.  2)  The city put its own tarp over the Robert E. Lee statue after the Charlottesville riot and murder of a counter-protester.   3)  The definition of "deface" is "to spoil the appearance of something, by marking or writing on it."

 

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/deface

 

 

 

The City covered the Robert E. Lee statue with a tarp after the protests.  Some guy came up and started cutting the tarp off, and police stopped him.  He remarked that he thought covering a war statue was illegal.   

 

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/08/23/wrapped-charlottesville-shrouds-confederate-sta...

 

Virginia law addresses vandalism under multiple statutes.  One is general vandalism.   The others are vandalism of specific items.  You can search the code, as well.

 

 

 

§ 18.2-137 Injuring, etc., any property, monument, etc.

A. If any person unlawfully destroys, defaces, damages or removes without the intent to steal any property, real or personal, not his own, or breaks down, destroys, defaces, damages or removes without the intent to steal, any monument or memorial for war veterans described in § 15.2-1812, any monument erected for the purpose of marking the site of any engagement fought during the War between the States, or for the purpose of designating the boundaries of any city, town, tract of land, or any tree marked for that purpose, he shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor; provided that the court may, in its discretion, dismiss the charge if the locality or organization responsible for maintaining the injured property, monument, or memorial files a written affidavit with the court stating it has received full payment for the injury.

B. If any person intentionally causes such injury, he shall be guilty of (i) a Class 1 misdemeanor if the value of or damage to the property, memorial or monument is less than $1,000 or (ii) a Class 6 felony if the value of or damage to the property, memorial or monument is $1,000 or more. The amount of loss caused by the destruction, defacing, damage or removal of such property, memorial or monument may be established by proof of the fair market cost of repair or fair market replacement value. Upon conviction, the court may order that the defendant pay restitution.

 

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-137

 

 

§ 18.2-138. Damaging public buildings, etc.; penalty.

Any person who willfully and maliciously (i) breaks any window or door of the Capitol, any courthouse, house of public worship, institution of higher education, school house, city or town hall, or other public building or library, (ii) damages or defaces the Capitol or any other public building or any statuary in the Capitol, on the Capitol Square, or in or on any other public buildings or public grounds, or (iii) destroys any property in any of such buildings shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony if damage to the property is $1,000 or more or a Class 1 misdemeanor if the damage is less than $1,000.

Any person who willfully and unlawfully damages or defaces any book, newspaper, magazine, pamphlet, map, picture, manuscript, or other property located in any library, reading room, museum, or other educational institution shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony if damage to the property is $1,000 or more or a Class 1 misdemeanor if the damage is less than $1,000.

 

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter5/section18.2-138

 

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Valued Social Butterfly
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Re: Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville

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myexper posted..

KidBoy2 wrote:

I am sure there are laws about covering a statue without permission.

So what and where is that law KidBoy2?

-------------------------------------

Did the protesters have a permit?

Have you ever heard of laws about disturbing the peace?

Want more laws...do your own research.

Gee, this thread has sure brought out the gang of eight and many excuses.... it in a way it is funny.
Treasured Social Butterfly
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Registered: ‎02-28-2008

Re: Black Lives Matter protesters deface Jefferson’s statue at UVa. in Charlottesville

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And the FAKE NEWS just keeps on coming from the RWNJs.  

 

Even per the article, the protester draped the statue in black and  threw a banner over it. The word defaced would be applied to, say, spray painting or hitting it with a hammer but the protesters made their point without doing any damage. 

 

Geez, I hate it when the right and the Trump administration mislead the country.  Don't you?