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Re: AND JESUS SAID UNTO PAUL OF RYAN

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Cent-so sad some feel all people are looking for is a free handout. I agree there is generational welfare. But, there are also people who just need help along the way. I will never understand the lack if empathy--lack of a heart it seems, in some.

i hope, truly, that should people like this ever need help, it takes a GOOD LONG TIME TO ARRIVE.  


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Re: AND JESUS SAID UNTO PAUL OF RYAN

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Why gordyfl....you noticed. How do you suppose it ever got like that?

 

The way I see it...

 

Roughly one-third of the country always votes for the Democratic Party candidate. One-third always votes Republican. It's that middle one-third that the candidates have to win over. Hillary couldn't win over enough of the middle-third.

 

It's hard to believe.

 

Trump handed Her the Hispanic vote with his "rapists and murderers" remarks. Hillary received nearly 100% of the African American vote. Trump's audio recording of his conversation about grabbing a woman by the crotch was leaked to the media. Hillary outspent Trump 2 to 1. I believe she spent more campaign money than any presidential candidate in the history of our country, but she still lost. She outspent Trump in those key swing states.

 

The "middle third" voters apparently was tired of "establishment politics". Tired of the status quo, so they rejected Hillary and took a chance with Trump, since Trump was representing himself as the "outsider" candidate. Polls during the campaign consistently showed that Bernie had a better hold on the middle-third than Hillary.

 

As someone had mentioned here on these boards - "Trump won when Bernie lost". I happen to agree.

 

 

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@rker321 wrote:

pc6063 wrote:

Rk9152- here's  your problem with individuals helping individuals-- they don't do it!

people get so caught up on in their own life they often don't even contact their friends for long periods of time!

when is the last time you 1.bought groceries for a needy family

2.took them and paid for their medical or dental care or vision care

3. offered them a ride on a ongoing basis because they had no car

4. bought clothes for their children or the  adults

 it doesn't happen! the majority of people are too busy. it is a very good idea in theory, it is a wonderful idea in theory, but Theory and reality are not the same.

 

although I have been criticized  by many for  lol  in some of my post, you really hit the nail in the head. and the problem has always been, that the Republicans want to see people in need depending on charity. and take away the last vestige of dignity that mese people may have.

we live in a society that as the family structure is very centralized, mother father children. extendend family do not exist. and the responsibility to extended familues every less know.n
And now we want for many to depend on neightbors when they can't even depend on their own family?  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL


 


Don't worry about those whining about your LOL's; they probably haven't had a good laugh or _______ [fill in the blank] for decades.  And you?  Enjoy yourself....laugh freely and openly; it's good for your health.   Just saying....


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And...

 

To begin with, if there was one flaw or error - omission made by our founders and the related documents it is this:  (Im paraphrasing the words of an instructor-professor at National War College, Dr. Alan Gropman here...While the founding documents go into great and specific detail about individual and States' rights and powers, the word or term "responsibility" is conspicuous by its absence.  Is that because the founders did not believe citizens had any responsibiliity toward their government?  Perhaps, but, far more likely that, at that time, individual responsibility toward family community, common interests was a "given" and was assumed to the p[oint that calling it out in the founding documents would likely have been considered redundant, unnecessary and possibly even insulting as a means of talking down to some of the citizens. Thus, today, we have those who believe they have all these "rights (many of which are nowhere mentioned in the founding documents) and that they have no responsibility toward their fellow man, government, obedience of tghe laws of the land, respect for authority, etc., etc.  Hence we have a population of snowflakes who believe the world owes them - ath schools, colleges and universities - and by extension their futur work places, and anywhere they happen to travel, visit, recreate, etc. they are entitled to "safe spaces" wherin they will never have to hear or entertain thoughts, words, utterances, opinions, or anything else that they - as individuals - might find "ofensive" and "hurtful" as they define it.

 

Not sure what happened to 1st Ammendment and freedom of speech in the context of "I may strongly disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it???"  1st Ammendment is there to protect what may be offensiv e speech so that we might have a dialogue and diversity of views. And no, I don't believe that allows someone to make threats of violence or cry fire in a crowded theater.  Having graduated college in the mid 70s and graduate school in DC in 1990 I saw the gradual and then accelerating suppression of non-liberal, Markxist thought begin, take hold and then accelerate until we are where we are today...sad, very sad.

 

And for those who wonder what I mean by Markxist or Socialist - I mean a Nation and governm,ent where the individual is in all things subservient to and useful only as a servant of the state with the individual's only purpose being to advance the interests of the State, as that State's leaadership defines it with no regard for individual rights, hopes, desires, etc. as those are unimportant compared to the role of being a faithful servant of the State.

 

And yet, this is the condition the snowflakes who have embraced their indoctrination in our universities and colleges, public and elite pprivate as well, want us to move toward so that our society can become "enlightened" and more "fair" to all. 

 

Not, I don't think, what Kennedy had in mind when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask rather what you can do for your country."  And, yet, the Markxist perversion of that concept is where the Left has been dragging us lo these many years. Not really something to be proud of.  We have moved from a nation of self-sufficient rugged individualists to a nation of sheep looking for the government to be our shepherd and to care for us, all the while being led to slaughter like the lambs we have become...

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Re: AND JESUS SAID UNTO PAUL OF RYAN

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gordyfl wrote:

trump gop care.jpg

 

 

 


Why gordyfl....you noticed.  How do you suppose it ever got like that?

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rk9152 wrote:

umbarch64 wrote:

The last time I looked here in this place on the globe, People establish Government and in that sense all by itself, the Government IS the People.  So your animus toward Government as an entity ought to be qualified as it relates to the United States of America. Government is not inherently bad as you intimate.  It can be corrupted by "bad" people though.  Is that what you meant to say? 

 

Same thing is true for just about any philosophical concept when it is used in a corrupt fashion.  You wouldn't do that....I know you wouldn't.


The Bolsheviks established the government in the USSR. Would you say that the citizens of the USSR were the government? [1]

 

As to animus towards the government - not so. My animus is towards the idea of granting too much power to the government in opposition to the concepts of our Constitution.  [2]


[1]  Not in the all encompassing way you infer in a false equivalency, once more.  I do think my post was clear on this point and that you deliberately distorted and dissembled in order to contend.  Do you want to keep talking or not?

 

[2]  See...I think 'absolute' freedom is a right and I also think that along with that right comes 'absolute' responsibility that belongs to you or anyone else exercising that right.  Now, IF you chase that rabbit to the end of his burrow, you'll find he and 'the golden rule' are exactly the same color.

 

That 'golden rule' is a shared thing in virtually all major religions.  Sort of an ethic standard, if you want to call it that. 

 

Contend all you want.  Predatory Capitalism is not a component of the 'golden rule'.  Never has been.  Never will be.  Capitalism in a different form from what we got could work and work well.  It just has to adopt a different set of ethics than we see in practice.

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rk9152 wrote:

umbarch64 wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Mr. Kristof, you make a very good point. Jesus did command us to help our fellow man - and we certainly should.

 

On the other hand, those who follow the teachings of Karl Marx rather than Jesus command us to put in place a government that will seize the property of the productive and redistribute among the others.

 

Slightly different concepts. 


Somebody once claimed that Jesus was the first communist....I think that remark was in regard to the rich man entering Heaven.  You may be on shaky ground if you claim Marx and Jesus are on separate ends of the ethical spectrum on everything.


Not so. Jesus spoke of the responsibilities of the individual. Marx spoke of the power of the State.


I understand the distinction you make..that distinction is not completed.   I do not defend Marx, but when he spoke of the State he spoke of it as a necessay step in the process toward a 'withering away of the state' when it was no longer necessary. 

 

At that point in 'good old Karl's' mind, he seemed to feel that mankind would somehow have achieved an altruistic mind-set so widespread that the state would no longer be needed for man's governance....man would have achieved such a level of 'goodness' you see, you might even call it, let's see....a 'state of grace'.  Hmmmm? 

 

Stay objective about this stuff, please.  It really does help with this 'divisivness' crap.

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trump gop care.jpg

 

 

 

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pc6063 wrote:

Rk9152- here's  your problem with individuals helping individuals-- they don't do it!

people get so caught up on in their own life they often don't even contact their friends for long periods of time!

when is the last time you 1.bought groceries for a needy family

2.took them and paid for their medical or dental care or vision care

3. offered them a ride on a ongoing basis because they had no car

4. bought clothes for their children or the  adults

 it doesn't happen! the majority of people are too busy. it is a very good idea in theory, it is a wonderful idea in theory, but Theory and reality are not the same.

 

although I have been criticized  by many for  lol  in some of my post, you really hit the nail in the head. and the problem has always been, that the Republicans want to see people in need depending on charity. and take away the last vestige of dignity that mese people may have.

we live in a society that as the family structure is very centralized, mother father children. extendend family do not exist. and the responsibility to extended familues every less know.n
And now we want for many to depend on neightbors when they can't even depend on their own family?  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL


 

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Re: AND JESUS SAID UNTO PAUL OF RYAN

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rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

myexper wrote:

rk9152 wrote:

Mr. Kristof, you make a very good point. Jesus did command us to help our fellow man - and we certainly should.

Yet your posts clearly suggest otherwise.

 

On the other hand, those who follow the teachings of Karl Marx rather than Jesus command us to put in place a government that will seize the property of the productive and redistribute among the others.

Nobody is following the teachings of Karl Marx here as you fallaciously claim.

But what your Republicans are looking to do is "seize" what little the poor and middle class have left and give it to the most wealthy ..... more and more welfare for the already wealthy at the expense of ALL other Americans!

 

 

Slightly different concepts. 

And a gross false equivalency!


 One said that people have an obligation to help their fellow man. The other said that the government should control such actions. I'll leave it up to you as to whose philosophy you are following.


There is a limit on what one individual person can do to help all people as no one person has unlimited resources. And that is where government needs to step in .... to do for its citizens what they are unable to do by themselves.


It is interesting that individuals do not have the resources to do what is needed but the government does. I guess the bureaucrats in DC go down to Tidal Basin an pluck those dollars right of the money trees.


The government does have the resources .... and is responsible to do for its citizens what they cannot do for themselves.

 

Instead of your sarcastic "guess" .... how about: 

- Stop spending money on an already bloated military budget .... highest of all nations on earth and higher than the next 10 nations combined.

 

- Stop Republican budgets which annihilate safety nets for the poor, taxes the middle class to death and grants the already wealthy millions in tax cuts ...... I.E. Reverse Robin Hood .... Rob from all other Americans to give more money to the most wealthy.

 

- Stop corporate welfare (tax loopholes).